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1 2008-02-16.txt:23:48:08: <Sgeo> Pseudo-TCL?
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2 2008-02-16.txt:23:54:13: <Sgeo> What's the difference between ptl and tcl?
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3 2009-10-27.txt:02:41:06: <Sgeo> Um, it had a program to easily create your own nightclub
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4 2009-10-27.txt:02:48:18: <Sgeo> I can't remember the platform. Adobe Atmosphere? That unknown nightclub thingy? Flatland?
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5 2010-05-16.txt:02:22:31: <pikhq> Sgeo_2: I'm saying I liked it better when it was called Tcl.
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6 2010-08-27.txt:22:25:41: <Sgeo> TCL isn't an esolang?
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7 2010-08-29.txt:16:10:40: <Sgeo> alise, FightClub is awesome
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8 2010-08-29.txt:17:10:12: <Sgeo> Obviously, I'm faking all the FightClub stuff just to get alise into Crawl
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9 2010-08-29.txt:19:46:43: <SgeoN2> Alise, ping me whenbyou request fightclub fights
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10 2010-09-10.txt:22:30:09: <Sgeo> alise, I'm gonna play with FightClub
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11 2010-09-17.txt:23:16:22: -!- Sgeo|FsckThatCli has joined #esoteric.
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12 2010-09-17.txt:23:16:33: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> How much space do the logs take?
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13 2010-09-17.txt:23:16:44: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> And what was the first Sgep message?
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14 2010-09-17.txt:23:16:54: <Vorpal> Sgeo|FsckThatCli, 170 MB or such, >200 MB when importing it into the db
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15 2010-09-17.txt:23:17:04: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> Meh
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16 2010-09-17.txt:23:17:15: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> Maybe when my computer's working again, I'll play with it
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17 2010-09-17.txt:23:20:25: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> I forgot the password for Sgeo
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18 2010-09-17.txt:23:20:33: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> So had use Sgep
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19 2010-09-17.txt:23:20:41: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> Eventually remembered Sgeo's password, I think
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20 2010-09-17.txt:23:20:56: <Vorpal> Sgeo|FsckThatCli, what was esoshell?
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21 2010-09-17.txt:23:21:22: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> 15:37:23 <calamari> ihope: http://esoshell.kidsquid.com/ 15:37:45 <calamari> ihope: it allows you to use certain esoteric languages straight from your web browser
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22 2010-09-17.txt:23:21:51: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> Hmm, so I was on #esoteric before then
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23 2010-09-17.txt:23:22:10: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> erm, I mean, Freenode
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24 2010-09-17.txt:23:22:54: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> My first day:
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25 2010-09-17.txt:23:23:10: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> Harbringer of things to come?
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26 2010-09-17.txt:23:23:11: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> 17:19:29 <Sgep> PESOIX?
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27 2010-09-17.txt:23:23:41: <Vorpal> Sgeo|FsckThatCli, what was PESOIX?
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28 2010-09-17.txt:23:23:52: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> Inspiration for PSOX
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29 2010-09-17.txt:23:24:13: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> Story of the name PSOX:
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30 2010-09-17.txt:23:24:18: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> Increment PESOIX to PESOX
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31 2010-09-17.txt:23:24:45: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> Hear complains about the name being too similar, so go with phonetics: P-ESO-X = P S O X
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32 2010-09-17.txt:23:25:20: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> Well, P-ES-O-X I guess
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33 2010-09-17.txt:23:26:13: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> What do you mean, I don't ask too many questions?
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34 2010-09-17.txt:23:30:20: * Sgeo|FsckThatCli feels like plotting 4-dimensional graphs
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35 2010-09-17.txt:23:31:16: <Vorpal> Sgeo|FsckThatCli, you asked quite a few. Hm should do questions / total lines
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36 2010-09-17.txt:23:31:53: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> What's that LIMIT 20 for?
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37 2010-09-17.txt:23:33:28: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> How about fractions for nonbots?
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38 2010-09-17.txt:23:35:46: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> Dear Puppy Linux:
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39 2010-09-17.txt:23:35:54: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> Closing the lid should not put the computer to sleep
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40 2010-09-17.txt:23:37:32: * Sgeo|FsckThatCli might be suffering from question poisoning
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41 2010-09-17.txt:23:37:43: <alise> Sgeo|FsckThatCli: no: we're the ones suffering. trust me.
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42 2010-09-17.txt:23:38:27: * Sgeo|FsckThatCli stuffs alise full of iron and throws em at a start
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43 2010-09-17.txt:23:39:18: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> *star
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44 2010-09-17.txt:23:39:25: * Sgeo|FsckThatCli chooses the Sun
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45 2010-09-17.txt:23:40:34: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> It suddenly occurs to me that that will not result in a black hoe
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46 2010-09-17.txt:23:40:36: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> *hole
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47 2010-09-17.txt:23:42:53: <Vorpal> Sgeo|FsckThatCli, merging sgep* into your stats too your question ratio goes down to 0.223952
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48 2010-09-17.txt:23:43:24: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> What's Sgep's question ratio?
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49 2010-09-17.txt:23:43:29: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> By itself?
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50 2010-09-17.txt:23:44:18: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> We should look for days where for some reason, questioning rations for people, at least one person, are particularly high
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51 2010-09-17.txt:23:44:39: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> I think today's, for example, is a bit high?
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52 2010-09-17.txt:23:44:45: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> Except I'm not me
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53 2010-09-17.txt:23:44:57: <Vorpal> Sgeo|FsckThatCli, I'm matching on Sgeo% not Sgeo
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54 2010-09-17.txt:23:45:24: <Vorpal> <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> We should look for days where for some reason, questioning rations for people, at least one person, are particularly high <-- you do that, not me
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55 2010-09-17.txt:23:48:49: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> ihope and uorygl and Warrigal should be aggregated
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56 2010-09-17.txt:23:49:22: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> ...
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57 2010-09-17.txt:23:49:28: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> quintopia is WARRIGAL?
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58 2010-09-17.txt:23:49:50: <alise> Sgeo|FsckThatCli: Uhh?
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59 2010-09-17.txt:23:50:07: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> Ok, maybe not
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60 2010-09-17.txt:23:50:16: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> But just beeping after me pinging Warrigal
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61 2010-09-17.txt:23:50:58: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> e's connected to a French Freenode server
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62 2010-09-17.txt:23:51:10: <alise> Sgeo|FsckThatCli: irrelevant
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63 2010-09-17.txt:23:51:45: * Sgeo|FsckThatCli pushes Virus Comix onto quintopia
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64 2010-09-17.txt:23:52:57: <alise> * Sgeo|FsckThatCli pushes Virus Comix onto quintopia ;; he linked two yesterday :P
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65 2010-09-17.txt:23:53:28: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> Hey, I wasn't there for the first place
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66 2010-09-17.txt:23:53:45: <alise> Sgeo|FsckThatCli: ?
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67 2010-09-17.txt:23:53:47: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> ?
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68 2010-09-17.txt:23:53:50: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> ...
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69 2010-09-17.txt:23:56:37: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> US English grammar rules require punctuation in ", and I can't stand it
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70 2010-09-17.txt:23:59:10: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> Smalltalk is a nice syntax
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71 2010-09-17.txt:23:59:29: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> quintopia, it is obvious that you know no Haskell, Prolog, or Erlang
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72 2010-09-18.txt:00:00:25: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> Well, Erlang and Prolog are kind of, sort of related
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73 2010-09-18.txt:00:00:49: * Sgeo|FsckThatCli hits zzo38 with a backslash
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74 2010-09-18.txt:00:00:50: <Vorpal> Sgeo|FsckThatCli, only in appearance, not in behaviour.
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75 2010-09-18.txt:00:01:27: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> Haskell is a language that everyone should learn. FOr some weird reason, I really, really want to just TEACH it to someone
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76 2010-09-18.txt:00:01:30: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> Anyone
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77 2010-09-18.txt:00:01:39: <alise> Sgeo|FsckThatCli: i very much doubt you'd be a good teacher
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78 2010-09-18.txt:00:01:58: <zzo38> Sgeo|FsckThatCliACTION OUCH
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79 2010-09-18.txt:00:02:00: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> alise, the basics?
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80 2010-09-18.txt:00:02:14: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> zzo38 typoed his /me
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81 2010-09-18.txt:00:02:21: <alise> Sgeo|FsckThatCli: he doesn't have a /me
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82 2010-09-18.txt:00:02:24: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> Exactly
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83 2010-09-18.txt:00:02:29: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> He typoed manually doing a /me
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84 2010-09-18.txt:00:02:36: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> oh
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85 2010-09-18.txt:00:02:44: <zzo38> Sgeo|FsckThatCli: No, I meant to type it that way
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86 2010-09-18.txt:00:03:11: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> I can vouch for this client not supporting it
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87 2010-09-18.txt:00:04:55: * Sgeo|FsckThatCli should make the Factor library support ut
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88 2010-09-18.txt:00:04:56: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> *it
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89 2010-09-18.txt:00:05:09: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> MORE UNSOLICITATED COMMENTS ABOUT FACTOR!
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90 2010-09-18.txt:00:05:46: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> I've lied in bed eyes closed dead tired but fully awake
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91 2010-09-18.txt:00:05:49: <Vorpal> <zzo38> Sgeo|FsckThatCli[0001]ACTION OUCH[0001] ?
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92 2010-09-18.txt:00:06:38: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> You should use PSOX syntax!
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93 2010-09-18.txt:00:06:54: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> PSOX > *
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94 2010-09-18.txt:00:07:00: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> And PSOX2 will be turing-complete
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95 2010-09-18.txt:00:07:37: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> Not when it makes HQ9+ +PSOX2 be turing-complete
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96 2010-09-18.txt:00:07:47: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> (Note: This was a real idea. It's vaguely scrapped)
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97 2010-09-18.txt:00:08:33: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> alise, and the language can't do thsoe
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98 2010-09-18.txt:00:09:31: * Sgeo|FsckThatCli pokes alise with one of Factor's predicate classes
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99 2010-09-18.txt:00:09:47: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> Although any similarity with dependent types is superficial
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100 2010-09-18.txt:00:10:55: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> Well, that's interesting
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101 2010-09-18.txt:00:11:01: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> Maybe I should learn about Coq
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102 2010-09-18.txt:00:11:27: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> I vaguely feel like I'm switching my love back to Haskell
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103 2010-09-18.txt:00:12:04: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> The thing that drove me away from Haskell last time was things like zippers. It should not be a headache to implement things that are easy imperitively
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104 2010-09-18.txt:00:12:46: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> What's the equiv for SQLite?
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105 2010-09-18.txt:00:13:29: <fizzie> Sgeo|FsckThatCli: "Do it in the client app" is, I think, pretty much it.
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106 2010-09-18.txt:00:13:59: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> I think SQLite has triggers though>?
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107 2010-09-18.txt:00:14:55: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> Someone should work out if it's TC
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108 2010-09-18.txt:00:16:03: <fizzie> Sgeo|FsckThatCli: It has a bit nonstandard implementation of triggers; you could get top-N-per-month with those, assuming the triggers are allowed to write to other tables. It still won't be a single query, though.
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109 2010-09-18.txt:00:16:21: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> Can triggers trigger triggers?
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110 2010-09-18.txt:00:17:04: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> quintopia, are you guessing?
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111 2010-09-18.txt:00:17:36: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> I don't get it. is alise suggesting that Lisp isn't easy to understand?
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112 2010-09-18.txt:00:17:53: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> I think I can read Lisp better than Factor
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113 2010-09-18.txt:00:18:33: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> I'm not thinking about solutions to the problem
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114 2010-09-18.txt:00:18:47: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> I'm wondering if programming in SQLite/Triggers would be interesting
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115 2010-09-18.txt:00:21:14: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> .
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116 2010-09-18.txt:00:27:52: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> .
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117 2010-09-18.txt:00:28:45: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> alise, stop the reciting of the Befunge-98 spec
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118 2010-09-18.txt:00:29:02: <alise> Sgeo|FsckThatCli: Vorpal did that word-per-line thing earlier today.
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119 2010-09-18.txt:00:29:34: <Vorpal> <alise> Sgeo|FsckThatCli: Vorpal did that word-per-line thing earlier today. <-- hm, which one. or did you mean fizzie that did the graphs for that
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120 2010-09-18.txt:00:29:57: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> W
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121 2010-09-18.txt:00:29:58: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> e
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122 2010-09-18.txt:00:29:59: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> l
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123 2010-09-18.txt:00:30:00: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> l
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124 2010-09-18.txt:00:30:00: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli>
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125 2010-09-18.txt:00:30:02: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> I
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126 2010-09-18.txt:00:30:03: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli>
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127 2010-09-18.txt:00:30:04: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> c
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128 2010-09-18.txt:00:30:05: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> a
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129 2010-09-18.txt:00:30:06: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> n
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130 2010-09-18.txt:00:30:13: * Sgeo|FsckThatCli stops
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131 2010-09-18.txt:00:31:08: * Sgeo|FsckThatCli wonders how long Befunge-98 would be 1 char/line
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132 2010-09-18.txt:00:31:17: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> I mean, timewise
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133 2010-09-18.txt:00:31:19: <Vorpal> Sgeo|FsckThatCli, run wc -c on it
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134 2010-09-18.txt:00:31:28: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> wc -c * what?
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135 2010-09-18.txt:00:32:31: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> Might the unary be longer than what the universe can store?
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136 2010-09-18.txt:00:34:35: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> Ok, so: What did alise actually print?
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137 2010-09-18.txt:00:35:02: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> Aww, don't worry, Bender. There's no such thing as 2
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138 2010-09-18.txt:00:35:18: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> quintopia: but at the point he was kicked, what's the result
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139 2010-09-18.txt:00:36:26: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> because
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140 2010-09-18.txt:00:36:54: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> color stripping, I think
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141 2010-09-18.txt:00:37:14: * Sgeo|FsckThatCli wants to watch stripping in color >.>
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142 2010-09-18.txt:00:37:38: <alise> Sgeo|FsckThatCli: is there anything you can't turn into an inane sexual reference?
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143 2010-09-18.txt:00:38:13: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> It's weird, there was a time that I'd never make a sexual reference
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144 2010-09-18.txt:00:39:04: <Vorpal> <alise> Sgeo|FsckThatCli: is there anything you can't turn into an inane sexual reference? <-- no, but I invoke rule 34 on inane sexual references
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145 2010-09-18.txt:00:39:50: <Sgeo|FsckThatCli> A naked superintelligent shade of the color blue?
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146 2010-09-18.txt:00:41:58: * Sgeo|FsckThatCli watches Vorpal run into the userlist
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147 2010-09-18.txt:00:43:21: * Sgeo|FsckThatCli feeds alise a cursed fortune cookie
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148 2010-09-18.txt:00:46:29: * Sgeo|FsckThatCli plays flash Portal
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149 2010-09-18.txt:00:59:45: -!- Sgeo|FsckThatCli has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds).
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150 2010-10-16.txt:18:56:49: <Sgeo> FightClub is gone! C_SPLAT is gone!
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151 2012-02-24.txt:01:56:11: <Sgeo> Lisp or Tcl?
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152 2012-04-21.txt:03:43:11: <Sgeo> elliott, FooTV and Fightclub moved to termcast.something
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153 2012-07-03.txt:16:40:38: <Sgeo> On the one hand, I'm curious about Tcl, on the other, I think some people consider it terrible
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154 2012-07-03.txt:16:43:55: <Sgeo> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/99681/why-wont-tcl-die
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155 2012-07-03.txt:16:44:08: <Sgeo> " If you never really liked shell-script (or make, for that matter), you'll probably dislike Tcl"
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156 2012-07-03.txt:17:05:24: <Sgeo> Installing ActiveTcl
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157 2012-07-03.txt:18:12:07: <Sgeo> My impression of Tcl so far is that it's probably a very suitable language for a "malicious code that looks like innocent code" contest
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158 2012-07-03.txt:18:21:48: <Sgeo> Richard Stallman hates Tcl?
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159 2012-07-03.txt:18:34:21: <Sgeo> Phantom_Hoover, yes, because as far as I know Tcl isn't proprietary
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160 2012-07-03.txt:19:04:40: <Sgeo> "F'rinstance, Tcl's support for lambda expressions is weak to nonexistant; OTOH, command prefixes as higher-order functions work rather well."
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161 2012-07-03.txt:20:20:41: <Sgeo> I think that's a good description of Tcl in general.
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162 2012-07-04.txt:06:34:43: * Sgeo vaguely wonders what elliott thinks of Tcl
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163 2012-07-04.txt:08:07:17: <Sgeo> Tcl seems like it might be a good language for a codenomic
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164 2012-07-09.txt:21:31:33: <Sgeo> Although I've looked at Tcl, and I know that's not really well liked. Although it's not bad like COBOL
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165 2012-07-09.txt:23:57:46: <Sgeo> Is it reasonable to want to make a non-eggdrop bot in Tcl?
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166 2012-07-12.txt:02:03:16: <Sgeo> Just encountered an advantage that Lisp-style macros have over Tcl-style... thingy
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167 2012-07-12.txt:02:48:44: <Sgeo> Why why why would a Tcl'er joke about Lisp like _that_
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168 2012-07-12.txt:02:48:53: <Sgeo> I mean, in that regard, Tcl and Lisp are rather close
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169 2012-07-12.txt:07:45:22: <Sgeo_> There's at least two such things for Tcl
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170 2012-07-12.txt:19:05:30: <Sgeo_> pikhq_, are there any good reason for Tcl arrays to not be first-class?
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171 2012-07-12.txt:19:06:01: <pikhq_> Sgeo_: Yes: Tcl "arrays" are nothing more than variables with a certain class of names.
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172 2012-07-12.txt:19:06:55: <pikhq_> Sgeo_: In *principle*, Tcl could be implemented without them actually existing. The array proc would just have to do more work.
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173 2012-07-12.txt:19:07:50: <pikhq_> Sgeo_: Tcl arrays are hash tables.
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174 2012-07-12.txt:19:13:15: <pikhq_> Sgeo_: Everything in Tcl is a string. Some commands happen to treat strings in a particular way. The Tcl implementation stores strings in a format more convenient for those commands as an implementation detail.
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175 2012-07-12.txt:19:14:08: <pikhq_> Sgeo_: Even friggin' *numbers* aren't really first-class in Tcl. They're just strings containing digits.
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176 2012-07-12.txt:19:19:02: <Sgeo_> Apparently Tcl 8.6's OO is based on XOTcl
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177 2012-07-12.txt:19:20:29: <Sgeo_> Why would it be a pain to use straight if it's XOTcl-inspired? Missing a few XOTcl features, but is XOTcl a pain?
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178 2012-07-12.txt:19:32:08: <Sgeo_> pikhq_, why does the Tcl community love Metakit so much, and why aren't there Metakit bindings into languages other than Python Tcl and I forget the third?
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179 2012-07-12.txt:19:33:26: <pikhq_> Sgeo_: It's friggin' handy being able to stick a Tcl app into a single binary.
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180 2012-07-12.txt:19:34:47: <Sgeo_> I think the Tcl app in a single binary thing is one of the things drawing me to Tcl actually
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181 2012-07-12.txt:19:40:45: <Sgeo_> "Tcllib has an approximatley yearly release schedule. Version 1.10 has been released September 12, 2007."
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182 2012-07-12.txt:19:47:24: <Sgeo_> Would Snit need to exist if there was one Tcl OO system from the start?
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183 2012-07-12.txt:19:48:03: <Sgeo_> If there was one Tcl OO system, there wouldn't be competing systems to treat identically
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184 2012-07-12.txt:20:19:59: <Sgeo_> pikhq, is it fair to say that it's impossible to have an object capability system in Tcl because any unique object could be brute-forced?
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185 2012-07-12.txt:20:22:53: <Sgeo_> pikhq_, is there a reason tcllib has two different OO libraries?
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186 2012-07-12.txt:20:24:22: <pikhq_> Sgeo_: If it's a pure Tcl library, it can go in Tcllib. There's not much vetting for redundancy.
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187 2012-07-13.txt:01:04:38: <Sgeo_> pikhq, why are there no Tcl "data structures" that map cleanly to a bunch of Tcl commands?
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188 2012-07-13.txt:01:04:57: <Sgeo_> Lists are good for one Tcl command, thus making construction with [list ... ] simple
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189 2012-07-13.txt:01:45:42: <Sgeo_> Why am I still looking at Tcl instead of Lisp?
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190 2012-07-13.txt:05:11:24: <Sgeo_> "Tcl is formally just as powerful since everything is a string, but it is usually not practical to have Tcl code take Tcl scripts apart and modified, since there are few facilities available out of the box for handling Tcl scripts at a higher level than as a string of characters (there are packages for higher level handling, however)."
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191 2012-07-13.txt:05:18:46: <pikhq> Sgeo_: Incidentally, all valid Tcl scripts are also valid Tcl lists.
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192 2012-07-13.txt:05:20:30: <pikhq> Sgeo_: Tcl metaprogramming eventually gets kinda weird.
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193 2012-07-13.txt:05:22:58: <Sgeo_> So why am I looking at Tcl? I think the whole starpack and Tk and event loop thing is drawing me in
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194 2012-07-21.txt:05:38:56: <Sgeo_> Geez, I can't even write a simple Tcl script without encountering a bug which static typing would have caught
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195 2012-07-21.txt:05:49:15: <Sgeo_> Tcl does seem nice for simple scripting
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196 2012-07-21.txt:05:50:16: <Sgeo_> Is Tcl more consistent than Bash?
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197 2012-07-21.txt:05:50:26: <pikhq_> Sgeo_: http://www.tcl.tk/man/tcl8.5/TclCmd/Tcl.htm says yes.
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198 2012-07-21.txt:05:52:18: <Sgeo_> I think I'm falling back in love with Tcl
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199 2012-07-22.txt:08:01:45: <Sgeo_> I find it remarkably easy to write one very trivial script in Tcl, and suddenly I like it?
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200 2012-07-22.txt:08:45:18: <Sgeo_> "Don't give your wish scripts the same name as any of the widgets provided by Tk. It will cause problems with wish trying to apply options for those widgets to your program as a whole. Try the file name example.tcl."
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201 2012-07-22.txt:09:58:31: <Sgeo_> Seeing Ruby's Fibers seemed cool. Then zzo38's thing for Haskell. Then Tcl.
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202 2012-07-22.txt:21:57:55: <Sgeo_> Suddenly I'm slightly sad that Tcl doesn't have infinite-length strings
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203 2012-07-22.txt:21:59:25: <Sgeo_> I still think that Tcl is interesting
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204 2012-07-22.txt:22:01:54: <Sgeo_> I sort of like how Tcl, if someone wants to do byref stuff, requires explicitness on both sides
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205 2012-07-22.txt:22:03:58: * Sgeo_ vaguely wonders if upvar has other uses in Tcl
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206 2012-07-22.txt:22:07:32: <Sgeo_> On the other hand, calling such a function in Tcl is less syntactically ugly than in C#
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207 2012-07-22.txt:22:10:03: <pikhq_> Sgeo_: upvar can seek up to an arbitrary point in the stack. With some nasty, nasty hacking you could get it so you could pretend to have dynamic scope in Tcl.
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208 2012-07-22.txt:22:13:20: <pikhq_> Sgeo_: proc bar {set x foo; foo};proc foo {puts $x};bar in a dynamic-scoped Tcl would work.
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209 2012-07-22.txt:22:21:44: <Sgeo_> The corresponding feature in Tcl is probably more frequently used
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210 2012-07-22.txt:22:35:01: <Sgeo_> Tcl seems to be more introspectiony, I guess?
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211 2012-07-23.txt:02:45:02: <Sgeo_> The Tcl solution to "I don't like global variables" seems to be namespaces
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212 2012-07-23.txt:02:59:00: <Sgeo_> I'm wondering if Tcl's love of global variables in namespaces should be enough to keep me away or not
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213 2012-07-23.txt:03:01:55: <Sgeo_> I wonder how easy/difficult it would be to do some sort of lens thing in Tcl
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214 2012-07-24.txt:02:07:34: <Sgeo_> Eek, I think Tcl is making me think in terms of global variables more :/
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215 2012-07-24.txt:03:27:11: <Sgeo_> Tcl's tracing lets you run code when a specified variable is read from or written to or unset
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216 2012-07-24.txt:03:29:17: <Sgeo_> Or, well, some thingy like tcllib
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217 2012-07-24.txt:06:39:07: <pikhq> Sgeo_: Basically, variable tracing in Tcl is on par with ptrace for Linux binaries. It'll work, but it's Nasty™.
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218 2012-07-24.txt:12:22:57: <Sgeo_> `run tclsh
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219 2012-07-29.txt:00:45:05: <Sgeo_> Annoying thing about Tcl: Libraries that use callbacks can take the callbacks in several different forms, some of which are harder to deal with than others
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220 2012-07-29.txt:00:45:18: <Sgeo_> The irc package in tcllib takes scripts
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221 2012-07-29.txt:05:03:06: <Sgeo_> The irc package in tcllib is disgustingly low-level
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222 2012-07-29.txt:12:44:34: <Sgeo_> At least in TCL
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223 2012-07-30.txt:09:26:23: * Sgeo__ vaguely wonders what metaprogramming is like in Lua compared to Tcl
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224 2012-07-30.txt:10:25:10: <Sgeo__> I just helped someone in #tcl
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225 2012-07-30.txt:14:30:10: <Sgeo__> I am beginning to hate the Tcl ecosystem
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226 2012-07-30.txt:15:07:24: <Sgeo__> nortti, I was forced to use an obsolete tDOm because I couldn't get TclXml working with tclkit and I couldn't find a newish tdom.kit
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227 2012-08-01.txt:14:14:58: * Sgeo ponders automatic resource management in Tcl
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228 2012-08-01.txt:14:15:25: <Sgeo> Current opinion about suckiest thing in Tcl: The lack of said resource management.
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229 2012-08-01.txt:21:08:32: <Sgeo> I should try writing a general using proc for Tcl
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230 2012-08-01.txt:21:18:34: <Sgeo> Unlike many languages I look at, I actually wrote a program to do something useful in Tcl.
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231 2012-08-02.txt:12:55:31: <Sgeo_> Whenever I look at Tcl, I keep thinking that I should be looking at Lisp
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232 2012-08-02.txt:12:57:53: <Sgeo_> http://wiki.tcl.tk/13410
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233 2012-08-02.txt:12:58:34: <Sgeo_> As interesting as most of that is, "OMG YOU DON'T NEED TO CALL ANY FUNCTIONS TO SERIALIZE TCL DATA STRUCTURES" is ... not at all impressive
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234 2012-08-02.txt:13:03:27: <Sgeo_> Bash has arrays? Are they like Tcl's arrays?
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235 2012-08-02.txt:13:03:46: <Sgeo_> You do need to call something to serialize Tcl's arrays since they're not first-class
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236 2012-08-02.txt:13:04:30: <Sgeo_> Fine, here's a good difference between Bash and Tcl: Bash has ``, Tcl has []
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237 2012-08-02.txt:19:26:59: <Sgeo_> shachaf, what's your opinion of Tcl?
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238 2012-08-03.txt:02:16:17: <Sgeo_> Smalltalk and Tcl at least
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239 2012-08-03.txt:02:16:28: <Sgeo_> Although the Tcl ones probably aren't well-maintained
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240 2012-08-03.txt:12:07:26: <Sgeo__> TclTalk seems fun
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241 2012-08-03.txt:12:16:20: <Sgeo__> Ugh, it uses a non-Tcl-standard way of initializing variables in namespaces
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242 2012-08-03.txt:12:17:48: <Sgeo__> Bluh, the single-dispatchness of Tcl OO systems in general is striking me again
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243 2012-08-03.txt:13:02:55: <Sgeo__> Just because I like TclTalk doesn't mean I should start looking at Smalltalk again, does it
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244 2012-08-03.txt:13:19:37: <Sgeo__> Taneb, you should learn Tcl
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245 2012-08-03.txt:13:20:26: <Sgeo__> http://www.tcl.tk/
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246 2012-08-03.txt:14:53:24: <Sgeo__> I think I know how to give Tcl CL-style conditions.
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247 2012-08-03.txt:18:11:02: <Sgeo__> Hmm, C can be compiled to LLVM, right? So Tcl?
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248 2012-08-03.txt:18:12:03: <pikhq_> Sgeo__: There's already some work on Tcl in NaCl, BTW.
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249 2012-08-03.txt:18:13:47: <Sgeo__> Tcl > Javascript?
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250 2012-08-03.txt:20:30:00: <Sgeo__> pikhq, what do you think of this? (In #tcl person who'd rather see 8.6 released ASAP even if coredumps occur)
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251 2012-08-03.txt:21:36:01: <Sgeo> So was thinking Tcl instead of Haskell
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252 2012-08-03.txt:21:44:01: <Sgeo> And being told not to try using a seemingly useful Tcl command because it's likely to be buggy, and I might cause a core dump and if that happens, then they'll have to fix it which will delay release
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253 2012-08-03.txt:22:01:25: <itidus21> `pastelogs <sgeo.*tcl
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254 2012-08-03.txt:22:02:07: <itidus21> `pastelogs <sgeo.*tcl
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255 2012-08-03.txt:22:25:41: <itidus21> `pastelogs sgeo.*tcl
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