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1 2003-01-25.txt:13:58:54: <Speuler> this may be the space for my future project :)
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2 2003-02-06.txt:19:52:09: <exarkun> Funge is arbitrary-dimensional though, over an unbounded space
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3 2003-02-07.txt:05:02:57: <dbc> Well, they usually put one number per line. Though they may go to the next line if they run out of space...
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4 2003-06-18.txt:08:32:01: -!- lament has quit ("http://www.cyberspace.org/~lament").
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5 2003-07-09.txt:04:12:47: <dbc> By common usage, lots of things count as "programming languages" that aren't Turing-complete even if you neglect the unlimitedspace requirement.
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6 2003-07-11.txt:03:26:49: -!- lament changed the topic of #esoteric to: http://cyberspace.org/~lament/abuse.html
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7 2003-07-13.txt:19:36:46: <lament> Hopefully cyberspace.org goes back up.
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8 2003-07-17.txt:05:13:38: <lament> The language has significant whitespace and statements are terminated by a blank line.
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9 2003-07-29.txt:23:57:06: <Taaus> I know what you mean. Significant whitespace.
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10 2003-08-01.txt:00:45:01: <Taaus> I stumbled across a 3d version of a Thue-ish language... A Japanese program... Someone had implemented space invaders in it :)
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11 2003-08-05.txt:20:54:41: <lament> http://cyberspace.org/~lament/thue.html
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12 2003-08-05.txt:20:55:02: -!- lament changed the topic of #esoteric to: http://cyberspace.org/~lament/thue.html - Instructions on the bottom of the can
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13 2003-08-11.txt:19:25:47: -!- sterling.freenode.net changed the topic of #esoteric to: http://cyberspace.org/~lament/thue.html - Instructions on the bottom of the can
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14 2003-12-12.txt:21:03:16: <fizzie> 2135 is even better byte ordering - saves 20% of memory space.
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15 2004-02-08.txt:21:21:03: <Toreun> fizzie: ... but you could just add whitespace on the sides of the source to make it bigger
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16 2004-02-11.txt:00:21:13: <mooz-> no, but it wastes space :)
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17 2004-04-29.txt:06:21:50: <andretwo> hm where should i position it... top-left on the blank space, or merge it with the fishbone bottom-right?
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18 2004-04-30.txt:07:43:57: <andreou> anyone good with webdesign? i can provide the space and scripts, but i really can't put two and two bits together when it comes to gfx :)
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19 2004-05-01.txt:04:11:44: <heatsink> Also, you need a space between the b and the d
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20 2004-05-04.txt:02:56:55: <andreou> that mod has a lot of blank space :)
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21 2004-05-04.txt:03:01:50: <Toreun> it's the standard spacefilling text
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22 2004-05-04.txt:03:53:42: <Toreun> I would offer my server as webspace, but I'm afraid it's so unreliable it wouldn't be much good
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23 2004-05-04.txt:04:00:35: <Toreun> it's just to fill space
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24 2004-05-06.txt:02:03:41: <heatsink> I want to be able to have successive lines of text spaced by successive prime-number distances
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25 2004-05-27.txt:16:10:22: <fizzie> oh, and the playfield was redefined from the older "80x25-unit torus-grid" to "infinite lahey-space"
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26 2004-05-27.txt:22:12:54: <fizzie> of course soldering stuff into a pre-made pcb with ~1cm empty spaces between stuff I could accidentally mess up I managed to do.
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27 2004-05-27.txt:23:03:58: <lament> fizzie: sure, but you need 10 bits to address a space of 1024 addresses
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28 2004-05-28.txt:20:20:38: <calamari_> the way I did the operators was reading 2 characters at a time, then checking in a string like this "++--+ - (etc)" it will find a match with 2 chars before a match with one.. it recognizes the space as a wildcard
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29 2004-05-28.txt:20:23:15: <calamari_> with spaces it will do a++ + ++b
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30 2004-06-10.txt:20:53:12: <lament> infinite memory space
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31 2004-06-10.txt:20:54:01: <calamari_> lament: if you have infinit memory space what do you do about something like +[>+] ?
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32 2004-06-10.txt:21:05:31: <calamari_> taaus: that was with a finite memory space
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33 2004-06-10.txt:21:05:46: <lament> calamari_: obviously you can't do it with infinite memory space.
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34 2004-06-10.txt:21:06:04: <calamari_> lament: "<lament> infinite memory space"
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35 2004-06-10.txt:21:06:43: <calamari_> with finite space +[>+] this eventually exits
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36 2004-06-12.txt:09:41:18: <fizzie> (2) Research, design, development, production or use of rocket systems, space launch vehicles, sounding rockets, missles, drones, or unmanned air vehicle systems.
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37 2004-06-15.txt:17:22:17: <fizzie> but to have enough disk space to backup my previous /etc, /usr and /var directories I probably need to burn random stuff on dvds.
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38 2004-06-27.txt:03:38:57: <calamari_> space hd .. space hard drive.. hard drive space? are you worried about your hard drive space?
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39 2004-06-28.txt:17:00:47: <calamari_> 3 letter instruction.. operands (spaces or tabs are ignored)
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40 2004-06-29.txt:17:57:06: <lament> your memory space might also be infinite
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41 2004-07-31.txt:22:37:49: <Keymaker> space invaders rule!!
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42 2004-09-23.txt:19:50:02: <ZeroOne> fizzie: "radix of n-dimensional space, sort of. unambiguous coordinates etc."
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43 2004-10-05.txt:22:23:01: <ZeroOne> Hipo: like Brainfuck, Befunge, Whitespace, INTERCAL, Unlambda, ...
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44 2004-11-07.txt:22:35:37: <fizzie> me will probably try to sleep some now, have that mat-1.403 exam tomorrow. infinite-dimensional vector spaces, path integrals of complex functions using residues, QR factorizations of matrices. yay!
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45 2004-12-23.txt:09:13:13: <calamari-> nah.. floppy doesn't need anything that complicated. In fact, the whole os could probably fit in the space of the bootloader
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46 2004-12-23.txt:09:25:36: <calamari-> this is like a com file where you only have a little over 400 bytes of code space
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47 2004-12-23.txt:09:27:17: <calamari-> usually this code space is used to load a larger program from disk and run it (what's why it's called the boot sector, lifting yourself up by the bootstraps and all that)
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48 2004-12-26.txt:12:52:04: <nooga_> code space, output window and stack listener :)
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49 2004-12-27.txt:18:47:40: <Keymaker> maybe i should buy some webspace for bf
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50 2004-12-27.txt:18:48:23: <Keymaker> i wouldn't need php support or much space,
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51 2004-12-27.txt:18:49:58: <ZeroOne> don't you get any webspace from your ISP?
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52 2004-12-27.txt:19:04:44: <ZeroOne> I'm hooked to mbnet because of the homepage space and the email address
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53 2004-12-27.txt:19:05:20: <ZeroOne> the homepage space is namely 50 MB but in fact there are no limits ;o
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54 2004-12-27.txt:19:05:39: <lindi-> i have my 'homepage' on a friends box with gigabytes of space ;)
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55 2004-12-28.txt:17:05:04: <calamari_> essentially what is needed is a bf where there is memory access to the code space
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56 2004-12-29.txt:20:32:25: <calamari_> for example 00h 008h (because then you get the printed backspace as a bonus)
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57 2005-01-03.txt:22:41:45: <ZeroOne> Keymaker: http://f2g.net/ looks like a promising free web host. 15 MB space, no ads, short subdomain address, SSI, email, FTP, statistics. :o
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58 2005-01-28.txt:23:52:05: <Keymaker> since i don't have any space yet
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59 2005-02-05.txt:22:20:34: <Keymaker> it could be clever to use space character (asc 32) as 'instruction character' and return/enter (asc 10) as 'execution character'
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60 2005-02-05.txt:23:05:01: <fizzie> There is already a language that uses only whitespace as its syntax.
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61 2005-02-05.txt:23:05:22: <Keymaker> it's called "Whitespace" :p
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62 2005-02-10.txt:05:06:37: <arke> instead of ! and ?, use newline and space
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63 2005-02-10.txt:05:15:37: <calamari> there is a language called whitespace .. ;)
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64 2005-02-25.txt:00:49:09: <arke> Rogue: basically brainfuck. However, theres 2 instructions, one of them you scroll through a circular lists of brainfuck instructions, the next one executes that brainfuck instruction. after executing, it scrolls to the next brainfuck instruction. the character for scroll is space and the character for execute is enter/return/newline
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65 2005-03-03.txt:20:59:01: <{^Raven^}> would make space-invaders difficult
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66 2005-03-05.txt:13:35:29: <{^Raven^}> how much server space/bandwidth would you need?
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67 2005-03-05.txt:13:36:12: <{^Raven^}> how much file space?
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68 2005-03-06.txt:02:33:23: <cpressey> i worry that calamari's boot block doesn't have enough space left in it to parse a bank number :)
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69 2005-03-11.txt:04:09:06: <{^Raven^}> it's no fun if the space invaders wait for you to press a key
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70 2005-03-11.txt:04:51:28: <{^Raven^}> i wrote space invaders for mine before it was burgled
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71 2005-03-11.txt:18:19:45: <kipple> The whitespace language is nice for steganography :)
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72 2005-03-17.txt:14:53:34: <Keymaker> remember that this takes a lot space; i have a feeling my code will be at least 1000+
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73 2005-03-18.txt:20:04:54: <calamari> you don't need locate.. can just print spaces then use backspace
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74 2005-03-30.txt:14:09:23: <matricks> Fungus-98 defines a 32bit working space
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75 2005-05-03.txt:02:57:28: <GregorR> Does anybody want to try out my combination of BrainFuck and CoreWars? Essentially, you have two BrainFuckish programs running concurrently, and their data space is the opponent's program space.
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76 2005-05-03.txt:15:40:50: <Keymaker> do you have the language specification uploaded anywhere as txt, because sourceforge board removes spaces
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77 2005-05-04.txt:15:57:22: <GregorR> So it sticks the two chunks of code at opposite ends of the same program space and they go towards eachother? (Or still different program space?)
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78 2005-05-04.txt:19:17:28: <pgimeno> a space is a nop, then?
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79 2005-05-04.txt:20:00:13: <Keymaker> for the sake of simplicity there should be language using only space and new-line :)
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80 2005-05-04.txt:20:00:49: <pgimeno> that's Whitespace, not to be confused with Blank :)
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81 2005-05-04.txt:20:02:06: <pgimeno> Blank is not about spaces, I think
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82 2005-05-05.txt:08:02:47: <Keymaker> btw, so there's "infinite" space on right side?
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83 2005-05-05.txt:12:38:29: <fizzie> fis@colin:~/prog/eclipse-workspace/misc$ java -cp . org.gehennom.misc.BFRE 'a(a|b)*b|b(a|b)*a' > ~/prog/misc/brfd/re.bf
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84 2005-05-05.txt:16:34:27: <GregorR> I own codu.org , but have very minimal space and bandwidth on my host there :-P
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85 2005-05-06.txt:03:59:55: <GregorR-L> fizzie: Sorry I keep tossing stuff into the FYB web space, I promise that's the last one ;0
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86 2005-05-06.txt:08:29:30: <GregorR> OK, OK: A language is turing complete IF given infinite memory and code space, it could solve any mathematical problem. Is that a good all-inclusive definition?
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87 2005-05-06.txt:21:03:43: <fizzie> I had some trouble fitting X11, opengl and that soft-synth in a 4K elf executable - or actually having any space left over to insert actual code in. :p
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88 2005-05-06.txt:21:53:28: <KnX> i'm searching an efficient implementation for an arbitrary-dimentional funge-space in C, if someone has a good idea ...
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89 2005-05-06.txt:22:54:01: <pgimeno> http://web.archive.org/web/20031210145310/http://cyberspace.org/~lament/thue.html
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90 2005-05-09.txt:22:52:39: <KnX> could someone explain me why same-line wrapping is called lahey-space wrapping, i can't find doc about lahey-space except befunge-related ?
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91 2005-05-10.txt:03:16:12: <GregorR-L> Crapsicles ... Kipple doesn't need to be space-delimited?
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92 2005-05-10.txt:14:25:53: <Keymaker> probably space could be the traditional NOP there, like in befunge
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93 2005-05-10.txt:14:30:05: <Keymaker> using space as blank and < > v ^ as direction characters
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94 2005-05-10.txt:14:33:08: <Keymaker> and one for space
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95 2005-05-10.txt:14:33:40: <kipple> what do you mean, for space?
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96 2005-05-10.txt:14:34:19: <Keymaker> if the program is in 2d space the instructions can't be this way:
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97 2005-05-10.txt:15:06:32: <KnX> for information , i decided to separate my befunge core from the funge-space, making a funge-space-librairy which could be usefull for many langages maybe ...
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98 2005-05-10.txt:17:26:56: <Keymaker> this kind of language would take extremely much space but at least beat GregorR's 2L ;)
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99 2005-05-11.txt:05:32:42: <calamari> whitespace vs whatever they like
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100 2005-05-11.txt:22:56:38: <kipple> " It has the memory limited to 2 bits for space reasons"
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101 2005-05-12.txt:19:42:34: <GregorR-L> Very small amount of space, low bandwidth, intermittent issues.
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102 2005-05-12.txt:19:50:16: <pgimeno> there's funpic.org for example, unlimited space and php + mysql
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103 2005-05-12.txt:19:51:34: <fizzie> Mm-hmm. I've sometimes considered buying some quality hosting space. A local-ish provider (nebula.fi) has this (1GB of space, php+stuff, 25GB/month traffic recommendation) service that'd be 15eur/month, but since I don't have any content to host, I probably won't do that until I have a Real Job or something.
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104 2005-05-13.txt:08:57:37: <pgimeno> http://web.archive.org/web/20031210145310/http://cyberspace.org/~lament/thue.html
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105 2005-05-13.txt:08:58:10: <lament> cyberspace.org
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106 2005-05-13.txt:09:13:58: <lament> just look at http://web.archive.org/web/20031218155802/cyberspace.org/~lament/ instead
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107 2005-05-21.txt:14:00:56: <kipple> maybe whitespace
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108 2005-05-21.txt:14:01:19: <pgimeno> hm, whitespace is more like a humorous language
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109 2005-05-21.txt:14:01:40: <CXI> whitespace is pretty well known
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110 2005-05-21.txt:14:10:39: <pgimeno> I didn't know about the popularity of Whitespace; before I knew, I thought that it wasn't worth the inclusion
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111 2005-05-21.txt:14:12:27: <kipple> Whitespace became quite known last year, so it's kind of a piece of internet history
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112 2005-05-21.txt:14:13:56: <kipple> The main esolang article lists the following as "notable": Befunge, Brainfuck, False, INTERCAL, Malbolge, Shakespeare, Unlambda and Whitespace
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113 2005-05-22.txt:01:05:07: <kipple> I dislike the wikis that can't have spaces in the links. but maybe that's just me
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114 2005-05-22.txt:01:08:52: <calamari_> you can use spaces, actually
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115 2005-05-22.txt:01:09:45: <calamari_> well, you're right.. the link dont have spaces, but the user doesn't know
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116 2005-05-22.txt:07:43:55: <GregorR> Gregor's customized version of "Wiki!" supports guest posting and file uploads, and titles with spaces in them (which was supported anyway)
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117 2005-05-22.txt:13:09:41: <pgimeno> you know, I thought that the name came instead from Sierra's Space Quest II adventure where there's a toy called Cubix Rube
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118 2005-05-24.txt:22:01:50: <pgimeno> space growth can be a problem too, I don't know how MySQL handles that but I think it's the smartest in that sense
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119 2005-05-24.txt:22:03:35: <malaprop> Space growth?
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120 2005-05-26.txt:11:21:19: <calamari_> so far it has extremely primitive command line parsing (spaces only, no quotes or escapes).. but it does load and run each program.. they have their own main method
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121 2005-05-26.txt:23:25:26: <graue> uploads are not in a page; they just wind up in a global namespace
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122 2005-05-26.txt:23:30:50: <pgimeno> calamari: about namespace collision: say, hello.bf - is it a befunge program or a brainfuck program?
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123 2005-05-26.txt:23:32:22: <pgimeno> graue: it was just an example of namespace collision :)
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124 2005-05-27.txt:23:23:58: <Keymaker> (hopefully there is two spaces)
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125 2005-05-28.txt:03:00:19: <graue> hmm, images of what? Piet programs? Whitespace with syntax highlighting?
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126 2005-05-28.txt:03:05:13: <graue> check the wikipedia article for Whitespace
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127 2005-05-28.txt:23:24:21: <lament> wouldn't it be nice for something like ibiblio to give us space
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128 2005-05-28.txt:23:38:48: <graue> http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Whitespace
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129 2005-05-29.txt:22:44:05: <jix> and it ignores spaces and
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130 in input..
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131 2005-05-29.txt:23:10:19: <jix> hm 99bob page: Use Whitespace, TABs and Returns to make your code readable.. is it ok to not use them ?
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132 2005-05-30.txt:02:30:39: <graue> by the way, you technically have a third instruction: whitespace
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133 2005-06-02.txt:15:31:22: <CXI> a program to take a list of inputs and outputs, and use some kind of state-space search over all possible programs to find a program that matches the inputs and outputs
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134 2005-06-03.txt:17:06:33: <jix> now i'm going to add whitespace ;)
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135 2005-06-04.txt:00:09:09: <graue> also, a whitespace interpreter, whitespace, is there
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136 2005-06-04.txt:13:12:28: <kipple> ok. so how do you separate numbers? space? comma? semicolon? (is this missing from the spec, or am I blind?)
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137 2005-06-04.txt:13:13:01: <graue> terms are separated by spaces
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138 2005-06-04.txt:13:51:41: <kipple> hmm. I think I will allow ANY character as a stack name in the next version, except numbers, whitespace and #
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139 2005-06-04.txt:19:35:26: <cpressey> it's like, being able to write 99 bottles of beer, in less space than writing out the song literally
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140 2005-06-04.txt:20:17:56: <graue> meta stuff should be in the Esolang namespace since mediawiki likes it that way
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141 2005-06-04.txt:22:01:17: <fizzie> "Computational complexity" reminds perhaps too much of time/space-complexity, which is really a different issue.
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142 2005-06-04.txt:22:13:04: <fizzie> You could cheat and classify as Turing-complete all languages that are "turing-complete if not a simple memory space restriction of K, the changing of which would not change the language semantics _that_ much", but that's horribly unexact.
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143 2005-06-05.txt:12:40:48: <jix> and no other syntax elements (no () no []Â no white-spaces no {}...)
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144 2005-06-05.txt:17:25:29: <pgimeno> "The replacement may contain the special character & to refer to that portion of the patter space which matched, and the special escapes through \9 to refer to the corresponding matching sub-expressions in the regexp." (from the sed man page)
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145 2005-06-06.txt:11:38:49: <pgimeno> actually it's a joke language to ironize about the lack of space for writing complex programs in some space-limited languages, especially Malbolge
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146 2005-06-06.txt:21:44:22: <pgimeno> handy free webspace.
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147 2005-06-06.txt:21:44:22: <pgimeno> own webspace one day, but not yet, so it's a good idea to make a copy.
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148 2005-06-07.txt:01:14:19: <cpressey> i'm actually wondering if wireworld's unlimited space counts as "tape" or
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149 2005-06-07.txt:01:17:56: <cpressey> if your "space" looks like this: http://pages.prodigy.net/nylesheise/langton_5.gif you can make one of those Turmites
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150 2005-06-07.txt:23:58:12: <lament> they're padded with whitespace at the end to make them of equal length
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151 2005-06-09.txt:23:36:10: <malaprop> er, there should be a space between -C and -e
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152 2005-06-10.txt:03:56:43: <graue> i wonder if it could be accommodated by creating a new namespace
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153 2005-06-10.txt:04:00:17: <graue> i wonder if calamari would go for the "EsoShell:" namespace idea
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154 2005-06-10.txt:04:01:55: <graue> short story: i think it would be cool if you did your java applet thing in a new namespace on the existing wiki
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155 2005-06-10.txt:04:34:36: <calamari> any thoughts on how to wrap the filename and source? need to think about 2d languages, whitespace.. etc :) gotta run
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156 2005-06-10.txt:10:46:02: <pgimeno> I think that graue's idea of a separate namespace is a nice solution for everyone
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157 2005-06-10.txt:19:13:52: <calamari_> so, I'm curious.. how can we display a whitespace program on the wiki without using images?
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158 2005-06-10.txt:19:14:39: <calamari_> I could invent some kind of escape code, but that wouldn't work well for a 2-d whitespace, if there is ever such a thing
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159 2005-06-10.txt:19:18:45: <kipple> ah, you were talking about whitespace :)
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160 2005-06-10.txt:19:40:23: <kipple> anybody know if whitespace it TC?
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161 2005-06-10.txt:19:46:01: <GregorR> But a whitespace nterpreter should read:
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162 - line break
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163 2005-06-10.txt:19:47:39: <GregorR> It'll be CR-LF-PageB-tab-tab-space-lf
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164 2005-06-10.txt:19:48:19: <GregorR> malaprop: From a UNIX-centric whitespace nterpreters standpoint,
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166 2005-06-10.txt:20:47:50: <pgimeno> I've been reading yesterday's log about the possibility of a separate namespace for EsoShell
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167 2005-06-10.txt:23:24:19: <Keymaker> (less time, less space ;))
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168 2005-06-13.txt:05:34:37: <calamari> argh.. my esoshell hacks for printed backspaces don't seem to be working right
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169 2005-06-13.txt:18:04:55: <{^Raven^}> IMHO any current interpreter that allows a program to wander into arbitary workspace is horrificly broken
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170 2005-06-15.txt:20:39:15: <CXI> specifically, my Whitlams CD and my copy of Freespace
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171 2005-06-15.txt:20:40:42: <malaprop> CXI: If you want another copy of Freespace, ask me in a couple days when I'm home and I'll see if I have it to rip for you.
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172 2005-06-16.txt:03:10:27: <calamari> but say you did something like A$=B$+C$.. it would take B$ and C$, determinae a new length for A$, and copy B$ and C$ into the space
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173 2005-06-16.txt:03:28:29: <calamari> SPACE$ and STRING$ are nice too
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174 2005-06-16.txt:05:49:02: <tokigun> it contains interpreter, assembler, disassembler of whitespace.
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175 2005-06-19.txt:18:31:32: <Keymaker> (there should be 7 spaces at one place, i hope this opera chat didn't trim them..)
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176 2005-06-19.txt:19:32:48: <jix> and you can fill any spaces in the code with 1s and 0s
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177 2005-06-20.txt:18:20:42: -!- azurespace has joined #esoteric.
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178 2005-06-20.txt:18:20:52: -!- azurespace has parted #esoteric (?).
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179 2005-06-24.txt:23:07:20: <{^Raven^}> hmmm, the main problem is the trade off between the space gained by compression and the code size required for decompression
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180 2005-06-25.txt:00:59:17: <cpressey> having an 8K data file is really a lot of space. where's the challenge?
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181 2005-06-25.txt:01:04:10: <cpressey> well... i mean, there still can be a challenge, but it's mostly the same as any other IF competition - just design and implement a good game. 10K is plenty of space to do that in, if you're any good at writing small code.
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182 2005-06-25.txt:01:04:30: <cpressey> i guess the thing is, i'm running out of ideas, before i've run out of space. heh
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183 2005-06-28.txt:20:48:44: <jimbo00000> yea, totally - get that plugin running. the pc leaves behind alpha scaled trails over the code space
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184 2005-06-28.txt:20:52:56: <jimbo00000> up to 100 spaces back - gotta click the handle again if youre restarting
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185 2005-06-28.txt:21:03:18: <jimbo00000> no, what you should see is a 80x25 textfield labeled "Funge Space"
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186 2005-06-28.txt:22:16:01: <jimbo00000> I just had a wild idea - concurrent pcs in a 2d space executing choon, making chords possible
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187 2005-06-29.txt:00:51:14: <calamari> I've been trying to set up mediawiki on my webspace, but have 4.0
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188 2005-06-29.txt:22:49:42: <lament> but to implement a turing machine, you need infinite space to put the tape in.
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189 2005-06-29.txt:23:34:53: <cpressey> for wireworld, program space == data space, and it's unbounded.
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190 2005-06-30.txt:21:01:19: <jix> and if you save wood and space you save water too
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191 2005-06-30.txt:22:47:13: <calamari> Stork shares packages between clients on the machine, reducing disk space usage and possibly memory usage as well
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192 2005-07-01.txt:00:03:15: <{^Raven^}> yeah, you can get free geocities space with a yahoo id, tripod does free hosting
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193 2005-07-01.txt:19:01:46: <graue> you can eliminate wire crossing by using = and | as pipes, where if the IP is moving horizontally and hits | or vertically and hits =, the program ends, and if the IP moves into a blank space or anything else the program ends
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194 2005-07-01.txt:19:36:03: <calamari> I need to ignore whitespace, and it should be fixed
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195 2005-07-02.txt:01:12:48: <pgimeno> wouldn't a "nop" (space) be enough?
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196 2005-07-02.txt:01:18:13: <pgimeno> yeah, but no need for # if a space is in the crosspoint
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197 2005-07-03.txt:00:15:09: <Kmkr> if there is space before instruction, do i use '!'? like for example
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198 2005-07-03.txt:00:20:43: <graue> what do you mean if there's space before an instruction?
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199 2005-07-03.txt:00:20:56: <Kmkr> i mean if there is spaces
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200 2005-07-03.txt:00:21:00: <graue> if a character doesn't get executed it can be anything (exclamation mark, space, etc)
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201 2005-07-03.txt:00:23:14: <graue> it means your code left the rectangle of code space
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202 2005-07-08.txt:23:10:02: <calamari> wow, this monospace 12 font makes 0 and O look identical.. usually one is rounder than the other, not this time
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203 2005-07-09.txt:10:49:38: <tokigun> i want to use ubuntu linux but i doesn't have enough space
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204 2005-07-10.txt:09:55:52: <tokigun> SFunge has two registers, infinite code space, and three 2D vector.
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205 2005-07-10.txt:10:04:05: <tokigun> hmm hello world program reads "Hello, world!" string from its code space.
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206 2005-07-10.txt:21:31:18: <pgimeno> single-register Minsky machines are very expensive in terms of wasted integer space AFAIK
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207 2005-07-19.txt:18:47:37: <graue> what would 2L look like if all spaces were treated like +s, and all printing characters like *s, with no nop command?
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208 2005-07-19.txt:18:51:04: <graue> think about it though, spaces are turns and only *s can actually be executed
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209 2005-07-19.txt:22:39:47: <GregorR> If sizeof(void *) was infinite, you'd have infinite space to store sizeof(void *) :)
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210 2005-07-19.txt:23:37:00: <graue> in the other two directions, spaces could be nops
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211 2005-07-20.txt:17:22:41: <jix> 2L == a language with just 2 instruction (3 if you count space==nop)
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212 2005-07-20.txt:17:23:50: <Keymaker> but probably the 1L needs two instructions..? or at least one instruction and some 'space'?
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213 2005-07-20.txt:17:24:51: <jix> the .tr removes some space filling characters
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214 2005-07-20.txt:17:25:20: <Aardwolf> So the whitespace is ignored?
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215 2005-07-22.txt:09:12:45: <tokigun> it has two registers, and one vector(or pointer) to manipulate code space
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216 2005-07-22.txt:09:31:12: <fizzie> Is there a fixed size for "space", or is it potentially-unlimited?
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217 2005-07-22.txt:09:39:21: <fizzie> "The cord space which stores the cord on the execution middle is composed of 2 dimension plane surface of the size which is infinite, to each unit the coordinate comes to give."
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218 2005-07-22.txt:12:24:27: <tokigun> doesn't work. i think my irc client has whitespace problem (or somewhat)...
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219 2005-07-22.txt:12:26:03: <tokigun> there is three spaces between 0| and 0~4+8... :)
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220 2005-07-23.txt:05:59:42: <GregorR> Reallocate space
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221 2005-07-23.txt:17:29:24: <fizzie> It prints out 8 spaces, it seems. :p
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222 2005-07-23.txt:23:56:23: <Aardwolf> cool, my browser supports the monospaced Hangul font
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223 2005-07-24.txt:21:56:17: <jix> i do some bf-space o11s ( [odd number of + or -] => z ; delete <>|><|+-|-+ and + or - in front of z)
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224 2005-07-25.txt:21:02:16: <jix> ah just noted that there is still space for optimizations
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225 2005-07-25.txt:22:52:38: <jix> i tried to compiler Lost Kingdom.. Out of stack space.
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226 2005-07-26.txt:12:06:09: <Gs30ng> even space, tab, or newline
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227 2005-07-26.txt:12:54:48: <Gs30ng> hey, we have a space for one more instruction
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228 2005-07-26.txt:13:23:50: <jix> i just added the maximum move-up+1 and maximum move-down+1 to the border space of the memory
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229 2005-07-26.txt:15:59:45: <Gs30ng> so i think we must use UTF-8 system to guarantee enough memory space
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230 2005-07-26.txt:16:28:18: <tokigun> i've make several obfuscated interpreter of whitespace and whirl in c... i like esoteric programming, but also obfuscated programming.
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231 2005-07-26.txt:19:43:33: <Gs30ng> spaces are ignored?
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232 2005-07-26.txt:19:43:53: <Keymaker> space is just another trigger
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233 2005-07-27.txt:12:29:54: <int-e> sorry. I understood 'wrapping cells' to mean 'wrapping memory space' which I wouldn't like - but I see that's not what was meant now.
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234 2005-07-28.txt:00:35:24: <int-e> oh, you added inderection and a very big address space, interesting
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235 2005-07-28.txt:00:36:04: <Gs30ng> yes, very big address space
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236 2005-07-28.txt:00:43:34: <Gs30ng> a limited source code can only use a limited memory space
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237 2005-07-28.txt:01:03:52: <GregorR> Hmm, lemme think ... would it be Turing-complete if it was the code pointer? You still couldn't access the entire bounds of memory from any location, and hence wouldn't have infinite storage space ...
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238 2005-07-28.txt:01:06:32: <GregorR> The usual good-enough is "Turing-complete with the exception of finite storage space"
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239 2005-07-28.txt:01:06:50: <GregorR> (So long as that finite space is enough to actually do anything)
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240 2005-07-28.txt:01:09:27: <GregorR> Gs30ng: Olde UNIX joke - if yoshell doesn't allow you to delete, backspace becomes ^H
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241 2005-07-28.txt:01:10:10: <lament> GregorR: and if it does, ^H becomes backspace
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242 2005-07-28.txt:02:16:44: <Gs30ng> is there any wiki space for sample Udage codes?
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243 2005-07-29.txt:21:46:47: <calamari> bios functions are very lame though, from a space standpoint.. have to set a lot of registers for even simpel tasks, so that wastes rom space
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244 2005-07-29.txt:21:47:03: <jix> rom space?
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245 2005-07-29.txt:21:47:19: <jix> ROM space?
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246 2005-07-29.txt:21:51:03: <{^Raven^}> a bad idea and i don't believe it's possible to write anything interesting in such small source space
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247 2005-07-30.txt:20:22:36: <graue> what was * is now space, what was + is now everything else
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248 2005-07-30.txt:23:43:59: <graue> the spaces are the path
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249 2005-07-31.txt:02:01:12: <calamari_> graue: in that scheme the only instructions would be @ and nop, depending on number of spaces, < > depending on turn direction, loops based on 3x3 block
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250 2005-07-31.txt:16:08:21: <Keymaker> grrh.. space invaders
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251 2005-08-04.txt:01:39:22: <Gs30ng> is there any brainfuck-brother-lang which has many-dimensional memory space?
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252 2005-08-04.txt:02:39:07: <Gs30ng> so it's a bf with 4 dimensional memory space?
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253 2005-08-04.txt:03:27:21: <Gs30ng> well i think there's already one with 2-dim memory space
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254 2005-08-04.txt:05:47:50: <Gs30ng> you meant the code space?
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255 2005-08-04.txt:05:59:25: <Gs30ng> sounds like befunge code space or something
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256 2005-08-05.txt:22:25:34: <int-e> predates namespaces, too.
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257 2005-08-05.txt:22:32:28: <int-e> there wasn't much to update in that program - I renamed getchar and ungetchar and added a bunch of using namespace std.
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258 2005-08-11.txt:00:37:55: <jix> fill unused space with random data
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259 2005-08-12.txt:16:51:18: <tokigun> I suggest adding palette support and different color space rather than RGB to RXML
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260 2005-08-12.txt:16:52:13: <tokigun> but different color space can be fun
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261 2005-08-16.txt:18:46:58: <WildHalcyon> You'd need a pretty big code space to do that with reliable precision, wouldn't you?
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262 2005-08-16.txt:18:47:37: <Gs30ng> or would i rather use brainfuck with 3d codespace?
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263 2005-08-16.txt:18:48:30: <Gs30ng> i meant 3d memory space, not code space
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264 2005-08-16.txt:18:49:44: <WildHalcyon> 3D memory space huh? A cube instead of a tape?
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265 2005-08-16.txt:21:38:45: <Gs30ng> the space not should be 2 dimensional
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266 2005-08-16.txt:22:25:04: <Gs30ng> NASA guys are calling him by period to ask some questions about the spaceship air supplying system written in bf
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267 2005-08-16.txt:22:29:02: <GregorR> *checking door panels* *doors open* *doors close (well after the astronauts have been flung into space)* *reactivating oxygen*
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268 2005-08-17.txt:00:06:28: <jix> (the space thing...)
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269 2005-08-17.txt:00:23:50: <jix> and even the voyager space thing has a lot of SEX
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270 2005-08-17.txt:22:28:09: <Gs30ng> where's the space to insert the code
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271 2005-08-18.txt:06:39:03: <WildHalcyon> Its a funge-varient that implements function spaces that have their own topology (they wrap independent of the rest of the program). The stack is composed of lists, rather than separate elements (like Joy)
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272 2005-08-20.txt:16:57:34: <nooga> will write numbers from 100 downto 1 separated by spaces ;p
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273 2005-08-20.txt:22:58:51: <nooga> i thought about a namespaces ;>
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274 2005-08-21.txt:08:28:37: <tokigun> nooga: all whitespace is ignored?
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275 2005-08-21.txt:11:51:05: <WildHalcyon> I think Nooga could free some more instructions if he was running low on implementation space
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276 2005-08-22.txt:13:22:29: <tokigun> perhaps i have to use something like Ruby's objectspace
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277 2005-08-23.txt:22:16:38: <WildHalcyon> As Ive mentioned more than is good for me, I'm creating a Funge-derivative which uses separate topological spaces for different functions, and each is given a label
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278 2005-08-23.txt:22:17:32: <WildHalcyon> Im trying to think of a way in which to assign a cell to multiple function spaces simultaneously
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279 2005-08-24.txt:21:56:14: <calamari> but it may hurt you as far as descriptions goes.. need space for text
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280 2005-08-24.txt:21:57:12: <{^Raven^}> but may add in functionality if you are running out of code space
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281 2005-08-27.txt:18:48:36: <nooga> today i thought about a namespaces
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282 2005-08-28.txt:22:00:43: <kipple_> will each user get his own storage space?
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283 2005-08-28.txt:22:05:34: <calamari> iirc, graue was going to make an alternate namespace for EsoShell
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284 2005-08-29.txt:11:20:27: <calamari> graue is (or did) create a special wiki namespace EsoShell
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285 2005-08-29.txt:11:31:18: <calamari> hmm, I wonder if there is a way to get a list of all pages in a particular wiki namespace
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286 2005-08-29.txt:13:55:31: <jix> 333 bytes of non-space code (the code is indented and not written for shortness)
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287 2005-08-31.txt:22:49:12: <kipple> though perhaps a bit difficult to fit into such a small space
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288 2005-09-04.txt:19:40:15: <kipple> true. it has a very limited code-space
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289 2005-09-06.txt:10:30:57: <graue> I think we need a "hide esoshell namespace edits" patch for the recent changes page
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290 2005-09-06.txt:10:31:12: <kipple> Is that because the Esoshell namespace is not properly configured?
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291 2005-09-06.txt:10:31:24: <calamari_> kipple: yeah afaik there isn't an EsoShell nasespace yet
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292 2005-09-06.txt:10:31:30: <kipple> I thought the recent changes only listed changes in the normal namespace
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293 2005-09-06.txt:10:33:15: <calamari_> graue: is it difficult to add that namespace?
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294 2005-09-06.txt:10:35:06: <graue> I have no idea about namespaces, but is there any problem with the current setup, other than the talk pages not being "EsoShell talk"?
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295 2005-09-06.txt:10:36:37: <calamari_> graue: no, I thought you were wanting the namespace.. if you don't then it doesn't matter
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296 2005-09-06.txt:10:39:55: <kipple> to create a custom namespace you must edit the LocalSettings.php : http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Custom_namespaces
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297 2005-09-06.txt:10:51:08: <kipple> oops. are you messing with the namespaces, graue? ;)
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298 2005-09-06.txt:10:55:21: <graue> actually, I should probably comment out the new namespaces, then go back and delete those pages, then add the namespaces again
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299 2005-09-07.txt:14:09:06: <jix> that tries to save space
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300 2005-09-07.txt:14:18:12: <jix> Aardwolf: reusing space
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