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+2005-08-23.txt:18:16:04: <nooga> i've got nVidia gf4 MX 440 in my PC ;p
+2005-08-23.txt:18:25:39: <GregorR-W> I've got an Nvidia GeForce 2.
+2006-04-26.txt:07:39:18: <nooga> nvidia drivers made something bad with the console
+2006-08-23.txt:01:42:58: * pikhq is temporarily enslaved by nonfree software. . . Curse you, Nvidia!
+2008-01-30.txt:20:08:50: <AnMaster> Insane, apart from nvidia binary driver and bios I run 100% open source on my computer
+2008-03-11.txt:21:19:17: <AnMaster> os[Linux 2.6.24-gentoo-r2 x86_64] distro[Gentoo Linux (stable)] cpu[1 x AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3300+ (AuthenticAMD) @ 2.00GHz] mem[Physical : 1.5GB, 46.7% free] disk[Total : 92.82GB, 29.40% Free] video[nVidia Corporation G73 [GeForce 7600 GS]] sound[EMU10K1 - SB Live 5.1]
+2008-05-01.txt:16:48:44: <pikhq> Nvidia driver and Flash plugin.
+2008-05-26.txt:06:39:02: <Slereah> Would you have any sort of idea as of why, with my reinstallation of windows and the NVIDIA pilot, I'm currently in 16 colors, without the possibility to go higher
+2008-06-03.txt:21:01:56: <tusho> I could probably get a cheap 256mb one that is actually, you know, made by nvidia or someone.
+2008-06-20.txt:17:16:32: <AnMaster> both got nvidia geforce 7600 cards
+2008-08-16.txt:12:31:30: * AnMaster turns it on and goes to fiddle with nvidia-settings
+2008-10-14.txt:22:47:10: <fizzie> The GPU programming languages (like Nvidia's Cg) seem a bit esoteric already, the little that I've seen of them.
+2008-11-12.txt:21:55:44: <ehird_> I think it's nvidia.
+2008-12-25.txt:22:29:41: <Sgeo> nVidia RIVA TNT2
+2009-01-09.txt:19:49:19: <fizzie> Oh well; I have to use the horrible nvidia binary blob driver too, since the second monitor I have is pivotable but the open-source 'nv' driver disables all (2D too) acceleration if I want a rotated image.
+2009-01-09.txt:19:51:50: <fizzie> Oh, the nvidia driver also has a horrible installation script which touches all kinds of places. I just use the Debian-packaged version, I'm not so interested in having the newest released ones.
+2009-02-21.txt:21:57:46: <AnMaster> nvidia-drivers sometimes had issues with last kernel, however often easy to fix by selecting another version
+2009-02-21.txt:21:57:57: <AnMaster> gentoo tends to make many versions available of nvidia-drivers
+2009-02-21.txt:21:58:07: <AnMaster> [I] x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers
+2009-02-21.txt:21:58:37: <AnMaster> changed to nvidia
+2009-02-21.txt:21:58:40: <ehird> AnMaster: when I bought this mac you could only get nvidia with a mac pro, and it was more expensive
+2009-02-21.txt:21:59:32: <AnMaster> sure so does nvidia, but they are at least less shitty
+2009-03-29.txt:21:33:53: <AnMaster> SimonRC, more if X is started because nvidia driver sucks
+2009-03-30.txt:23:24:04: <fizzie> No; I have nvidia-glx, nvidia-glx-dev and four nvidia-kernel-* packages in the vrms list.
+2009-03-31.txt:16:54:16: <ehird> NVIDIA GeForce Go 9200M GS (Dedicated Graphics)
+2009-03-31.txt:16:55:55: <AnMaster> ehird, anyway nvidia drivers usually work almost out of box once they are compiled and installed. And Intel like Linux and contributed bug fixes to the open source drivers
+2009-03-31.txt:16:57:58: <AnMaster> ehird, still nvidia-drivers tend to just work, issue is when they stop supporting some old card in new drivers and the last working driver ends up failing with newer kernels.
+2009-03-31.txt:16:58:14: <ehird> Yeah but even with nvidia I have to let ubuntu asy "oh hai you need these drivers"
+2009-04-03.txt:00:12:42: <AnMaster> ehird, well... I'd go nvidia or intel
+2009-04-03.txt:17:44:40: <AnMaster> ehird, I was thinking more about 3D games. For example Flightgear is so opengl heavy it has caused bugs to show up in certain nvidia driver versions too, some developer called it an opengl testsuite as a joke iirc
+2009-04-03.txt:17:47:21: <ehird> GPU - NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS/640 or similar
+2009-04-03.txt:17:48:36: <ehird> ** Supported chipsets: NVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT or greater; ATI Radeon 9800 Pro (Radeon X800 Pro for Vista) or greater. Laptop versions of these chipsets may work but are not supported. Integrated chipsets are not supported. Updates to your video and sound card drivers may be required.
+2009-04-08.txt:19:55:58: <fizzie> Last I looked (admittedly I guess it's been over a year?) ATI's fglrx driver felt equally crummy to Nvidia's (at least as far as using it is concerned, I don't know about technical details), and the radeonhd driver was pretty alpha-quality.
+2009-04-08.txt:19:56:32: <AnMaster> fizzie, nvidia drivers just worked, while I got freezes and such with ati.
+2009-04-08.txt:20:35:11: <AnMaster> so I'm stuck with nvidia driver
+2009-04-08.txt:22:04:47: <AnMaster> nvidia geforce 7600. low end yes
+2009-04-16.txt:20:13:27: <fizzie> Heh, my two pageups go approximately 8 minutes now; I updated some drivers (more-or-less-beta-maybe-I-guess-or-should-it-be-stable proprietary nvidia 180.44, xorg 7.4, 2.6.29.1 kernel) and now (a) cursor droppings are left on the other screen when I move the cursor from one screen to the other, and (b) X crashes after approximately 5 minutes. That's very suboptimal.
+2009-04-16.txt:20:14:15: <fizzie> This is the 80x25 text console, since I had some problems with the nvidiafb framebuffer console, too.
+2009-04-16.txt:20:22:45: <AnMaster> fizzie, never had such issues with nvidia drivers. Other issues sometimes but not those.
+2009-04-16.txt:20:23:43: <fizzie> Actually I don't think it (well, except the cursor thing maybe) is related to the nvidia drivers.
+2009-04-16.txt:20:26:45: <AnMaster> on gentoo it would be emerge =x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-180.29 or such to force a specific version of those available
+2009-04-16.txt:20:27:26: <fizzie> Really, I'm not that sure it's nvidia-driver-related.
+2009-04-16.txt:21:07:35: <Deewiant> +With -nvidia, when using Xinerama, holding down a key in a text field
+2009-04-16.txt:21:08:13: <fizzie> Yes, it sounds a bit nvidia-related after all. (Though not sure what the - there in "-nvidia" means in this case.)
+2009-04-16.txt:21:08:24: <Deewiant> 1) Only on nVidia. 2) Only with Xinerama. 3) Holding down a key. 4) Only in a text field. 5) Only on a non-primary screen.
+2009-04-16.txt:21:09:42: <fizzie> I had some really good reason for using Xinerama instead of nvidia's own TwinView trickery.
+2009-04-21.txt:22:50:41: <ehird> I wonder what recent nvidia cards are like.
+2009-04-25.txt:19:15:55: <ehird> "As of 2008-12, many issues still remain: Video playback occasionally has quality and stability problems, especially in Xine[7]. 2D benchmarks show that ATI cards using these drivers are two orders of magnitude slower than the competing NVIDIA cards in basic tasks such as text rendering[8], making even graphic consoles feel sluggish."
+2009-04-25.txt:19:46:45: <ehird> It's *almost* enough to make me go nvidia.
+2009-04-25.txt:19:48:14: <ehird> Fanless nvidia, that is
+2009-04-25.txt:19:49:18: <ehird> But... "As of 2008-12, many issues still remain: Video playback occasionally has quality and stability problems, especially in Xine[7]. 2D benchmarks show that ATI cards using these drivers are two orders of magnitude slower than the competing NVIDIA cards in basic tasks such as text rendering[8], making even graphic consoles feel sluggish."
+2009-04-29.txt:14:27:59: <AnMaster> it seems like Xid with the value of 13 there is nvidia related memory fault/invalid instruction/similar.
+2009-05-01.txt:19:43:02: <AnMaster> strings -a /usr/lib/opengl/nvidia/*/*.so | grep -F 'GCC: (GNU)' | sort -n | uniq is interesting
+2009-05-02.txt:20:39:37: <AnMaster> a lot more for /lib/modules/2.6.27-gentoo-r8-1, since it contains the nvidia module too
+2009-05-03.txt:21:58:24: <ehird> bsmntbombdood: so, cheapest modern nvidia card I can find then
+2009-05-03.txt:22:16:49: <bsmntbombdood> i can't remember if it's ATI or Nvidia that has bad linux support
+2009-05-03.txt:22:17:46: <ehird> but right, i'll repick a nvidia
+2009-05-03.txt:22:17:51: <ehird> i just don't know anything about nvidias :-)
+2009-05-03.txt:22:18:44: <ehird> do YOU know anything about nvidias?
+2009-05-03.txt:22:21:35: <ehird> bsmntbombdood: you might need a proprietary nvidia driver for that card
+2009-05-03.txt:22:22:21: <Deewiant> What's the status of the non-proprietary linux nvidia drivers
+2009-05-03.txt:22:22:40: <bsmntbombdood> what's the status of non-linux nvidia drivers
+2009-05-04.txt:00:03:28: <AnMaster> nvidia-settings
+2009-05-06.txt:16:58:34: <ehird> Deewiant: know anything about nvidia cards? I'm trying to work out what the rough ATI equivalent of a GeForce 9800 GT is.
+2009-05-13.txt:17:50:53: <ehird> I wonder why people use Intel/Nvidia and AMD/ATI and rarely other combinations (even before AMD bought ATI)
+2009-05-13.txt:17:51:26: <pikhq> That's really weird, especially since for a while Nvidia made very good AMD chipsets.
+2009-05-13.txt:17:52:15: <ehird> Terrible theory: AMD seem to use more black and dark blue and red and other dark-sort-of-feeling colours in their marketing, and so does ATI. Intel is white and blue, Nvidia is light green. Perfect fits.
+2009-05-13.txt:17:55:54: <ehird> http://www.nvidia.com/object/GeForce_3D_Vision_Main.html ← 1. Sell 3D glasses for a load of money 2. Claim it's revolutionary 3. Profit
+2009-05-13.txt:20:41:03: <ehird> tl;dr summary: Core i7 940 @ 2.9ghz... 12GB DDR3 RAM... ancient nvidia card... Intel X25-M 80gb ssd... 1TB storage drive
+2009-05-13.txt:20:45:11: <ehird> Asztal: it's a really shitty passive nvidia :)
+2009-05-15.txt:16:06:13: <ehird> and make sure you have the proper nvidia drivers
+2009-05-15.txt:17:02:12: <ehird> AnMaster: Larrabee's early presentation has drawn some criticism from GPU competitors. At NVISION 08, several NVIDIA employees called Intel's SIGGRAPH paper about Larrabee "marketing puff" and told the press that the Larrabee architecture was "like a GPU from 2006".[7]
+2009-05-15.txt:17:02:20: <ehird> ofc, nvidia has a reason to be biased
+2009-05-15.txt:17:03:32: <AnMaster> well so are recent nvidia and ati cards iirc
+2009-05-15.txt:17:03:45: <AnMaster> nvidia's cuda and whatever ati's one was called
+2009-05-17.txt:19:44:56: <fizzie> You can sort-of blame Nvidia for not releasing the hardware specs like ATI/AMD did.
+2009-05-17.txt:19:46:11: <fizzie> That's probably the other reason people haven't been reverse-engineering nvidia stuff more.
+2009-05-17.txt:19:47:30: <ehird> fizzie: really old passive Nvidia from sparkl
+2009-05-17.txt:19:51:20: <fizzie> The nvidia binary driver also added that VDPAU thing recently; it was long so that it supported only a bit of xvmc, and only for geforce series <=7. (The readme says G96, which is in 9400, does IDCT+motion-compensation on the card for MPEG1/2, H.264 and VC1 (WMV), and bitstream decoding only for h.264; G98 would do also the bitstream decoding part on the card for mpeg1/2 and wmv.
+2009-05-17.txt:19:52:19: <bsmntbombdood> ehird: maybe i should get an nvidia tesla though
+2009-05-17.txt:19:58:26: <fizzie> My passive gf7600gt card, with it's crummy G73 gpu and no VDPAU support in the nvidia drivers, can't do 1080p video in this rather-less-than-high-end system. :/ (Admittedly I don't think I have any 1080p media either.)
+2009-05-18.txt:23:22:22: <ehird> I wonder if a nvidia card would work with a replaced cooler
+2009-05-18.txt:23:35:23: <ehird> i'm just happy since i was a bit sad about the 9800GT being the best nvidia passively-cooled-when-bought card you could get
+2009-05-18.txt:23:47:37: <AnMaster> ehird, I always set 2x AA in nvidia-settings
+2009-05-19.txt:18:04:18: <Deewiant> Based on a quick browse of nvidia.com, anyway
+2009-05-19.txt:18:06:04: <Deewiant> Both ATI and nVidia have a 9600 GT, at least
+2009-05-19.txt:18:06:20: <Deewiant> nVidia's is fairly new
+2009-05-20.txt:00:03:10: <AnMaster> rather to an array of Nvidia Tesla
+2009-05-20.txt:18:41:39: <AnMaster> ais523, usually nvidia or vmware drivers. Once buggy USB in kernel (around 2.6.8 or so)
+2009-05-20.txt:20:11:42: <ehird> bsmntbombdood: but my radeon absolutely cannot, being that CUDA is a nvidia technology :)
+2009-05-20.txt:20:13:48: <ehird> "OpenCL was initially developed by Apple Inc., which holds trademark rights, and refined into an initial proposal in collaboration with technical teams at AMD, Intel and Nvidia."
+2009-05-20.txt:20:13:49: <ehird> "NVIDIA announced on December 9, 2008 to add full support for the OpenCL 1.0 specification to its GPU Computing Toolkit.[8]"
+2009-05-20.txt:20:15:12: <bsmntbombdood> get an nvidia tesla
+2009-05-31.txt:00:05:39: <ehird> [[NVIDIA GeForce GT 120 512MB
+2009-05-31.txt:00:05:39: <ehird>  2x NVIDIA GeForce GT 120 512MB [Add $150.00]
+2009-05-31.txt:00:05:40: <ehird>  3x NVIDIA GeForce GT 120 512MB [Add $300.00]
+2009-05-31.txt:00:05:42: <ehird>  4x NVIDIA GeForce GT 120 512MB [Add $450.00]
+2009-05-31.txt:00:09:56: <ehird> pikhq: Alternatively, you can have a gaming card. Never mind, say, a Nvidia Quadro or Tesla.
+2009-05-31.txt:19:59:50: <ehird> bsmntbombdood: it is probably more effective to use two of the best single nvidia gpus
+2009-05-31.txt:22:33:26: <bsmntbombdood> also, nvidia says the 295 takes 289 watts
+2009-05-31.txt:23:44:10: <AnMaster> ehird, is that nvidia or ati?
+2009-05-31.txt:23:44:14: <ehird> nvidia
+2009-06-01.txt:01:22:58: <ehird> bsmntbombdood: user anecdote says that it can cool a core 2 quad @ 2.66 plus two nvidia 8600GTSes at load below 27C
+2009-06-01.txt:01:30:54: <ehird> "Struggles to work with the newer 2 x nVidia 8800 as they just got too hot over 61 degrees celsius out of game reset in game RED HOT no overclock uses as the cards would have gone into meltdown! "
+2009-06-01.txt:16:59:28: <ehird> "Or is this an eternal, undecidable holy-war question along the lines of ATI/nVidia, AMD/Intel, Coke/Pepsi"
+2009-06-02.txt:11:20:09: <AnMaster> GregorR-L, but with the nvidia card, and at native res, vga works just fine
+2009-06-05.txt:22:09:18: <AnMaster> ehird, correct. It was "nvidia TwinView"
+2009-06-05.txt:22:10:44: <AnMaster> ehird, and as I said, nvidia twin-view setup
+2009-06-24.txt:18:35:55: <AnMaster> ehird, graphics stuff: nvidia preferred currently, but I guess anything that can do basic 3D would work...
+2009-06-25.txt:19:14:48: <ehird> pikhq: probably not; nvidia/ati drivers are a huge untertaking
+2009-06-26.txt:21:21:51: <ehird> http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2009/06/nvidia_tegra_powers_sexy_new_netbooks_provides_days_of_battery_life.html
+2009-07-17.txt:19:30:47: <AnMaster> pikhq, how long before binary nvidia drivers start doing that?
+2009-07-28.txt:01:04:23: * Sgeo is using his laptop at his desk. His desktop is Pentium III, 512MB nVidia RIVA TNT2
+2009-08-03.txt:13:27:08: <ehird> get a nvidia card
+2009-08-03.txt:13:31:43: * Sgeo has a nvidia card. It sucks
+2009-08-14.txt:21:57:23: <AnMaster> ehird_, if an app suddenly ended up linked to libgl-nvidia.so instead of libgl-mesa.so thing would go very strange indeed
+2009-08-14.txt:22:43:11: <ehird> 13:57:23 <AnMaster> ehird_, if an app suddenly ended up linked to libgl-nvidia.so instead of libgl-mesa.so thing would go very strange indeed
+2009-08-16.txt:12:58:04: <fizzie> Installing nvidia-glx-ia32 made it work, though.
+2009-08-17.txt:21:51:41: <fizzie> Well, everything looks smaller on this screen; I'm not sure this setup is doing per-screen DPI correctly, since it's that nvidia's "merged as a single framebuffer" thing.
+2009-08-18.txt:22:15:50: <fizzie> Anyway, I had of course forgotten the simple solution, which was just to swap some cables around and use the static "Rotate" "left" option of the nvidia driver to control that rotated screen. Which I guess is all well and good, since turns out the radeon driver didn't 2d-accelerate rotated modes.
+2009-08-19.txt:19:07:38: <ehird> Wow, it comes with a Nvidia Quadro.
+2009-08-20.txt:19:38:49: <ehird> well and nvidia too
+2009-08-21.txt:21:40:33: <AnMaster> ehird_, possibly, intel graphics use quite a lot less power than ati or nvidia chipsets
+2009-08-21.txt:21:40:52: <ehird_> AnMaster: Not nvidia integrated GPUs.
+2009-08-21.txt:21:41:42: <ehird_> Well, the nvidia embedded gpus are good nowadays.
+2009-09-07.txt:21:23:49: <fizzie> Oh, and dmesg prints out "Clocksource tsc unstable (delta = -152506783 ns)" immediately after loading the nvidia binary blob; might be related.
+2009-09-13.txt:21:40:23: <AnMaster> ehird, at least not for nvidia libGL. I can say that much
+2009-09-13.txt:21:58:38: <AnMaster> generic open source one, and nvidia one
+2009-09-13.txt:22:00:35: <AnMaster> Ilari, my point was that nvidia one is a binary blob
+2009-09-20.txt:11:49:58: <AnMaster> that is old enough for ATI or nvidia to drop support yeah
+2009-09-20.txt:13:04:42: <AnMaster> ehird, as it happens I use none of those on my desktop (on the other hand, it has nvidia driver so meh), for my laptop I need the tg3 and iwlagn drivers, iwlagn at least loads some firmware from /lib/fimware
+2009-09-20.txt:15:02:24: <AnMaster> same for kwin on nvidia drivers. But that is expected
+2009-09-22.txt:01:49:24: <ehird> Forget video card, NIC and FDD: get a motherboard with those integrated (Nvidia for the graphics, due to having the best Linux performance and good performance in general) and who uses floppy (although it's a $5 affair)
+2009-09-22.txt:01:54:08: <ehird> Mobo is pretty constrained, though, as there aren't all that many desktop mobos with Nvidia graphics.
+2009-09-22.txt:01:57:01: <ehird> nvidia drivers for linux are the second most stable to intel, but the Intel drivers are really, really, really bad
+2009-09-22.txt:02:01:05: <ehird> Ilari: The proprietary Nvidia drivers are pretty much rock-solid, being used by a huge portion of Linux users.
+2009-09-23.txt:14:39:01: <ehird> The Nvidia Tesla S870 is 2074 GFLOPS.
+2009-09-23.txt:14:41:43: <AnMaster> and why are we still going along this design, wouldn't rethinking it and going along similar lines that those raytracers in FPGAs did be better. With the budget of nvidia on that rather than the (relative to nvidia) small research budget...
+2009-10-09.txt:19:37:27: <AnMaster> might be due to nvidia drivers
+2009-10-13.txt:20:04:41: <ehird> GPU giant NVIDIA has confirmed that the company is putting the brakes on the Nforce chipset line because of legal wranglings with Intel.
+2009-10-13.txt:20:05:12: <AnMaster> <ehird> GPU giant NVIDIA has confirmed that the company is putting the brakes on the Nforce chipset line because of legal wranglings with Intel.
+2009-10-27.txt:22:10:06: <AnMaster> fizzie, for me it works by just doing /usr/bin/nvidia-settings and enabling twin-view
+2009-10-27.txt:22:12:05: <fizzie> My nvidia dualhead setup looks like http://zem.fi/~fis/x.txt -- though with Ion, I guess you don't want Xinerama on. And those are numbered "0" and "2" because there's the third monitor too.
+2009-10-27.txt:22:17:28: <fizzie> Since I'm not sure whether you saw it or not; here's one nvidia-card dualhead-without-twinview xorg.conf: http://zem.fi/~fis/x.txt
+2009-10-27.txt:22:24:25: <fizzie> Twinview's just a nvidia-specific hack to make two physical monitors appear as a single "physical" X screen; that's what gives you the split menus and other ugly things like that. It has a "fake-Xinerama" thing which makes it provide the Xinerama information so that window managers know the physical screen boundaries.
+2009-10-27.txt:23:56:06: <fizzie> (And anyway nvidia's binary driver isn't very XRandR-friendly; it supports some basics of it, but not as well as the open-source radeon driver, whose "twinview"-lookalike is configured via XRandR, unless I remember wrongly.)
+2009-10-28.txt:03:38:59: <ehird> nvidia have better proprietary drivers, but ATI support the OSS drivers more
+2009-10-28.txt:20:38:24: <AnMaster> pikhq, but yeah the last X update was flawless for me. Just needed to rebuild nvidia module (forgot about that first time around)
+2009-10-31.txt:20:58:15: <ehird> kernel-nvidia, kernel-radeonhd, etc.
+2009-11-01.txt:20:09:04: <oerjan>  2008.0->10.0 | irefox/ nvidia-drivers/ glibc/ nptl downgrade?  sync and retry
+2009-11-04.txt:14:09:35: <fizzie> As far as non-security-related things go, there must be something in the eyeball-bugs saying, since at least my vague feeling is that bug density is higher in all kinds of closed-source blobs. (Skype and nvidia's binary drivers come to mind.)
+2009-11-10.txt:21:55:22: <{}_> "The GeForce 200 Series is the tenth generation of NVIDIA's GeForce graphics processing units. The series also represents the continuation of the company's unified shader architecture introduced with the GeForce 8 Series and the GeForce 9 Series."
+2009-11-10.txt:22:38:21: <fizzie> For example http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_gt_120_us.html "OEM Product", "Not available for individual purchase".
+2009-11-24.txt:20:29:57: <AnMaster> fizzie, you mean like nvidia drivers?
+2009-12-06.txt:12:31:56: <ehird> Nowadays, they're competitive with nvidia's proprietary drivers, which are nice.
+2009-12-12.txt:14:10:53: <AnMaster> NVIDIA: could not open the device file /dev/nvidiactl (Permission denied).
+2010-01-03.txt:22:14:12: <AnMaster> coppro, well there is one limit: nvidia drivers
+2010-01-03.txt:22:15:22: <AnMaster> can't see anything about nvidia there
+2010-01-03.txt:22:16:24: <AnMaster> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G73 [GeForce 7600 GS] (rev a2)
+2010-01-03.txt:22:18:55: <AnMaster> coppro, probably it might be useful around the time nvidia drops driver support for my card
+2010-01-03.txt:22:41:45: <anmaster_l> here we go *compiles nvidia for custom kernel*
+2010-01-10.txt:16:35:13: <ais523> ehird: I had a very similar problem ages ago, trying to install NVidia graphics drivers on Linux
+2010-01-10.txt:16:46:25: <AnMaster> ais523, well, to begin with I'm pretty sure the nvidia module is called "nvidia". Not sure what else would be called that
+2010-01-10.txt:16:46:36: <ais523> another nvidia module, I assume
+2010-01-12.txt:19:59:05: <AnMaster> ehird, and there is the issue of the nvidia geforce 7600 card. Anyway I guess I will have to get a new (quieter) desktop soon
+2010-01-28.txt:18:49:48: <AnMaster> I can't use dvi on my nvidia card it seems. Why? Because it causes X to lock up whenever DPMS kicks in
+2010-01-28.txt:18:51:00: <AnMaster> also sshing in and killing X results in screwed up video mode. Reloading the nvidia kernel module after that causes it to claim that the nvidia card is unsupported (until reboot)
+2010-01-28.txt:18:53:34: <AnMaster> also nvidia module was spewing things to Xorg.log
+2010-01-29.txt:15:59:02: <AnMaster> atm I'm testing older nvidia driver
+2010-01-29.txt:16:01:29: <AnMaster> Ilari, also I had to reboot to fix it last time. It was so bad that the nvidia card changed to "unknown device" in lspci
+2010-01-29.txt:16:01:41: <AnMaster> and dmesg contained lots of those infamous nvidia Xid messages
+2010-01-29.txt:21:35:50: <fizzie> My nvidia card (which, admittedly, has just two DVI connectors) sends the VGA text console to both outputs; I don't quite remember what the framebuffer console did.
+2010-01-29.txt:21:38:06: <AnMaster> fizzie, ever noticed that option "digital vibrance" in nvidia-settings? What the heck is the point of it?
+2010-01-29.txt:21:38:50: <fizzie> I assume it does some made-to-look-more-colorful-to-a-layperson colorspace mangling. I don't remember when I last looked at nvidia-settings, though.
+2010-01-29.txt:21:40:44: <fizzie> (That was from the http://www.nvidia.com/object/feature_dvc.html hype-page.)
+2010-02-21.txt:11:22:02: <AnMaster> err s/it/nvidia drivers/
+2010-04-09.txt:21:42:32: <AnMaster> Deewiant, ah, nvidia drivers splits it
+2010-05-22.txt:20:53:48: <alise> Do you have a nvidia card?
+2010-05-22.txt:20:54:17: <pikhq> Because my onboard video card is ATi, and I'm too lazy to get an Nvidia card.
+2010-05-22.txt:20:54:49: <pikhq> I've used Nvidia in the past.
+2010-05-22.txt:20:56:07: <alise> I'm using the "current" nvidia drivers, but I can switch to versions 96 and 173.
+2010-05-22.txt:20:58:17: <pikhq> I have never ever ever seen that behavior with official Nvidia drivers.
+2010-05-22.txt:20:58:40: <AnMaster> and my desktop is nvidia
+2010-05-22.txt:20:58:49: <alise> This is a shitty onboard nvidia card btw.
+2010-05-22.txt:20:59:01: <pikhq> Nvidia's drivers for Linux are very well-tested. Same drivers used for Windows, in fact.
+2010-05-23.txt:18:59:26: <comex> even Linux has that nvidia H264 acceleration thingy
+2010-05-26.txt:09:11:27: <AnMaster> for example: nvidia drivers mmap stuffs iirc
+2010-05-26.txt:09:18:51: <AnMaster> have you ever tried a non-xinerama build of firefox on a dual head X server (using nvidia twinview, not multiple screens)?
+2010-06-06.txt:15:08:57: <alise> AS I NEED NVIDIA
+2010-06-06.txt:15:09:02: <alise> SURELY YOU CAN COMPILE NVIDIA IN
+2010-06-06.txt:15:37:45: <alise> aur/nvidia-ck 195.36.15-2 (35)
+2010-06-06.txt:15:37:45: <alise>     NVIDIA drivers for kernel26-ck.
+2010-06-06.txt:16:06:04: <alise>   23.2% ( 61.7)       <interrupt> : sata_nv, nvidia
+2010-06-06.txt:16:07:22: <alise> nvidia sure likes waking up
+2010-06-06.txt:17:45:03: <alise> I want to disable module support. I also want to use the binary nvidia module.
+2010-06-06.txt:17:45:40: <AnMaster> Deewiant, I think he want to build the 9 MB nvidia.ko into the kernel
+2010-06-06.txt:17:46:31: <AnMaster> alise, the nvidia module is larger than the rest of my kernel + all my external modules (I have a few, stuff I use very rarely mostly)
+2010-06-06.txt:17:46:57: <alise> So adding nvidia to them will just make them a size of your regular bloated Ubuntu kernel.
+2010-06-06.txt:18:06:49: <alise> The kernel refused to load the nvidia driver for some reason; said there was no such device.
+2010-06-06.txt:18:11:58: <AnMaster> alise, you did compile a new nvidia module for the new kernel right?
+2010-06-06.txt:18:12:03: <alise> AnMaster: yep, nvidia-ck
+2010-06-06.txt:18:12:37: <alise> "No such device", and dmesg was nvidia telling me to unload some moduels to try it; did so, didn't help.
+2010-06-06.txt:18:13:07: <alise> AnMaster: some nvidiafb stuff and crap
+2010-06-19.txt:21:19:56: <alise> kernel uses Brain Fuck Scheduler, TuxOnIce and is stripped of most everything; module support provided as a separate kernel package only for using things like the nvidia drivers
+2010-07-18.txt:18:00:44: <alise> it's either ati or nvidia. all the same really
+2010-07-22.txt:18:54:18: <AnMaster> sure I'm stuck with my BIOS being closed source. And various firmwares in different parts of the computer. And sadly, the nvidia driver
+2010-07-26.txt:14:43:33: <AnMaster> and on one computer, nvidia drivers (need 3D, hope the noveau drivers get that soon!)
+2010-08-01.txt:17:38:36: <fizzie> Oh, is this the nvidia binary driver?
+2010-08-01.txt:17:40:01: <fizzie> There's some sort of attempted support that if you pass Option "RandRRotation" to the nvidia driver, it'll try to fake it so that you can set the orientation with it.
+2010-08-06.txt:18:15:38: <fizzie> On NVIDIA cards, there's the (old) xvmc and (new) vdpau stuff to move even the video stream decoding, and IDCT, and other such stuff, on hardware; but I have no idea how (and if) that's supported on Intel graphics and Linux.
+2010-08-06.txt:20:45:16: <alise> Under X, how video is finally drawn depends largely on the X window manager in use. With properly installed drivers, and GPU hardware such as supported Intel, ATI, and nVidia chip sets, some window managers, called compositing window managers  allow windows to be separately processed and then rendered (or composited). This involves all windows being rendered to separate output buffers in memory first, and later combined to form a complete graphical interfac
+2010-08-18.txt:11:17:18: <Vorpal> fizzie, btw, do you happen to know if nvidia works with the new 2.6.35 kernel?
+2010-09-24.txt:19:51:53: <Vorpal> alise, nwn runs perfectly on my desktop with nvidia though
+2010-09-24.txt:19:52:39: <Sgeo> Is nvidia still better than ATI when it comes to Linux stuff?
+2010-09-24.txt:20:24:56: <Vorpal> alise, which is still waaay below nvidia or ati :P
+2010-10-13.txt:05:26:52: <pikhq> Nvidia+Linux is definitely better than ATI+Linux, performance-wise.
+2010-10-13.txt:06:50:11: <Vorpal> <pikhq> Nvidia+Linux is definitely better than ATI+Linux, performance-wise. <-- last I checked, also stability-wise.
+2010-10-13.txt:23:16:01: <elliott> "This package provides the oficial NVIDIA graphic driver for
+2010-10-13.txt:23:16:53: <elliott> "Quentin Garnier has made a loadable kernel module (LKM) version of the NVidia drivers on NetBSD. This release is very preliminary, rough and mostly meant to test the installation procedure. You will need a NetBSD-current system but the code itself should be quite backward compatible with some caveats. For example, you need 'options KVM86' in your kernel config. Known working hardware includes RIVA TNT
+2010-10-13.txt:23:17:10: <pikhq> Actually, you could probably port it. How Nvidia rolls is that they've got a binary blob that's *OS independent*, and a stub to abstract the kernel.
+2010-10-17.txt:04:14:54: <elliott> but not like nvidia or ati or intel or anything that needs full X.org
+2010-10-19.txt:13:46:55: <Vorpal> elliott, requirements for me: rolling release, reasonably up-to-date (so nothing as outdated as, say, debian stable), allows easy tweaking of system without it trying to get in the way, not source-based. And hm probably linux kernel too. Well freebsd can support nvidia drivers iirc so...
+2010-10-19.txt:13:47:58: <elliott> Vorpal: I, uh, try nouveau. Nvidia's driver *is* an OS-independent binary blob and a kernel interface, so you could port it, but nobody really has recently
+2010-10-19.txt:13:49:52: <elliott> Vorpal: isn't there another nvidia driver? :/
+2010-10-19.txt:13:58:28: <Vorpal> elliott, will recheck that when I get back after rebooting, I don't think it works in w3m and atm the nvidia userland/kernel module are out of sync, so can't start X.
+2010-10-26.txt:01:21:49: <Vorpal> nvidia though
+2010-11-05.txt:20:32:23: <Vorpal> elliott, well... I found an old version of alpha at a certain bay (and a link to the linux version in a comment), on my desktop it works as long as I set "fast graphics". But that is nvidia and emu10k...
+2010-11-06.txt:21:43:27: <pikhq> Vorpal: Uh, Nvidia's the only one that is likely to be a pain.
+2010-11-06.txt:21:45:37: <pikhq> Also, with Ubuntu switching to Wayland I'd imagine Nvidia would port their system to go through KMS and DRM.
+2010-11-06.txt:21:47:31: <pikhq> Vorpal: Nvidia, to be a pain, just *does their own god-damned bottom layer*.
+2010-11-06.txt:21:53:46: <Vorpal> elliott, except for actual purposes nvidia still outperforms everyone
+2010-11-06.txt:21:54:30: <pikhq> And Nvidia, well, they're still assholes.
+2010-11-07.txt:00:37:54: <pikhq> (Looking at *you*, Nvidia!)
+2010-11-07.txt:21:45:10: <Vorpal> runs fast on my sempron 3300+ with nvidia geforce 7600 GS (AGP)
+2010-11-14.txt:21:02:51: <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: Nvidia or ATI? (The answer to your next question is "depends on the phase of the moon".)
+2010-11-14.txt:21:03:16: <elliott> As I understand it, right now the open-source ATI drivers are better than the open-source Nvidia drivers, and the proprietary Nvidia drivers are the best of all.
+2010-11-14.txt:21:03:38: <Phantom_Hoover> If it's true, Nvidia; if false, ATI.
+2010-11-14.txt:21:03:47: <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: Nvidia then.
+2010-11-25.txt:23:54:25: <elliott> (I'm making it so easy for all those fuckers with nvidia and ati cards. :p)
+2010-11-28.txt:21:42:05: <coppro> also some nvidia drivers apparently
+2010-11-28.txt:21:43:12: <elliott> <coppro> also some nvidia drivers apparently
+2010-11-28.txt:21:43:15: <elliott> coppro: are you on a nvidia card?
+2010-11-28.txt:21:43:39: <coppro> so fuck nvidia etc.
+2010-12-17.txt:04:23:16: <elliott> pikhq: I'm sorry, only one of us can have a 1.32 kg, 0.11-0.68 inch high, 13" 1440x900, 2.13 GHz Core 2 Duo with 256 GiB of SSD storage and a Nvidia GeForce 320M GPU. And ~6-7 hours battery life.
+2010-12-24.txt:21:30:09: <Vorpal> (it generally never told me first, and I blame nvidia when things went shit)
+2010-12-31.txt:02:05:28: <elliott> Vorpal: No. Nvidia.
+2010-12-31.txt:02:05:43: <Vorpal> elliott, oh. So integrated nvidia? how strange
+2011-01-01.txt:20:09:09: <elliott> Vorpal: So if it works well, then it works well on 2.1GHz Core 2 Duo w/ 4 GiB of RAM, good nvidia integrated GPU and 256 GiB SSD. Which is of course very relevant to your situation.
+2011-01-04.txt:01:58:03: <Vorpal> elliott, nvidia cpus next
+2011-01-15.txt:03:12:07: <Vorpal> pikhq, should have gotten yourself nvidia or intel :P
+2011-01-15.txt:22:58:33: <elliott> You know what the most useful thing about the NVIDIA X Server Settings is?
+2011-01-16.txt:15:59:47: <elliott> pikhq: Kernel modesetting isn't supported by the native nvidia drivers, right?
+2011-02-17.txt:14:30:00: <ais523_> hmm, does anyone here know if nvcc (the Nvidia C compiler) is purely in-house, or based on one of the other major compilers?
+2011-03-05.txt:20:58:30: <pikhq> elliott: Besides which, this issue will only really affect Nvidia.
+2011-03-05.txt:21:05:09: <cheater00> pikhq: have nvidia somehow said they don't support wayland?
+2011-03-13.txt:16:59:59: <ais523> which I think expands to "NVidia C Compiler"
+2011-03-17.txt:10:18:48: <Vorpal> I only use the distro kernel because the nvidia X drivers package depends on the nvidia kernel driver package which depends on the kernel package.
+2011-04-01.txt:18:44:29: <elliott> no word about nvidia
+2011-04-23.txt:12:26:57: <Vorpal> OpenGL version string: 2.1.2 NVIDIA 270.30
+2011-05-09.txt:18:13:56: <Vorpal> elliott, I don't know if nvidia or amd/ati is best atm
+2011-05-09.txt:18:15:10: <olsner> I think nvidia still has better linux support
+2011-05-23.txt:03:57:23: <elliott_> NVIDIA GeForce 320M graphics processor with 256MB of DDR3 SDRAM shared with main memory3
+2011-05-29.txt:00:33:16: <elliott> As would mbp-nvidia-bl-dkms.
+2011-05-29.txt:18:42:43: <Vorpal> pikhq, nvidia.ko was something like 9 MB last I looked
+2011-05-29.txt:18:43:54: <fizzie> 13M     /lib/modules/2.6.38-8-generic/updates/dkms/nvidia-current.ko
+2011-06-30.txt:03:03:43: <Lymee> "if you change the kernel, Nix will ensure that external kernel modules such as the NVIDIA driver will be rebuilt as well"
+2011-07-22.txt:18:49:28: <Vorpal> ais523, my guess for something like nvidia binary driver would be that it mmaps a range of shared pages with the kernel module... And what the kernel does is hard to know, some DMA thing probably
+2011-07-22.txt:18:57:22: <Vorpal> ais523, well as long as you don't plan to get nvidia-settings, catalyst-control-center or other similar softwares running :P
+2011-07-22.txt:18:57:34: <ais523> Vorpal: heh, I think I'll give a miss on nvidia-settings
+2011-08-04.txt:21:01:29: <Cheery> basicly, if I'd get off from the unproductivity cycle, I'd get on to writing stuff that converts bunch of expressions in a program flow graph into thin amount of assembly language in x86 and nvidia gtx460
+2011-08-22.txt:20:30:55: <fizzie> (Setting it didn't do anything for me, but that's probably because the version of libGL things here link to is provided by the nvidia binary blob.)
+2011-08-28.txt:22:22:06: <ais523> (I've been playing more humble bundle games, but haven't found anything particularly inspiring in the latest batch; also, one of the .debs appears to have a dependency on an nvidia library, which is suspect as I don't have an nvidia graphics card)
+2011-08-28.txt:22:22:43: <ais523> elliott: it wasn't, and besides CUDA only works on nvidia cards
+2011-09-01.txt:18:00:35: <ais523> although possibly I'll end up using it before long if nvidia continue screwing up the CUDA SDK
+2011-09-01.txt:18:08:02: <Gregor> http://developer.nvidia.com/opencl
+2011-09-01.txt:18:08:18: <Gregor> Seems like OpenCL probably supports just about as much as CUDA ... which is to say, NVidia stuff :P
+2011-09-01.txt:18:26:14: <elliott> "For example NVidia GPUs use scalar processors (with scalar instructions), no vectorization is necessary. On the contrary, ATI features 5d (or 4d) VLIW processors and for these is the vectorization crucial." i;m so confused
+2011-09-01.txt:18:28:23: <elliott> ais523: out of interest, how are nvidia mucking up cuda sdk?
+2011-09-03.txt:02:38:50: <elliott> nm: /usr/lib/nvidia-current/libOpenCL.so: no symbols
+2011-09-03.txt:03:28:34: <elliott> monqy: CUDA, nvidia-only and basically deprecated and probably no nicer
+2011-09-03.txt:03:29:33: <elliott> On the same day Khronos Group announced the new OpenCL v1.1 specification update (June 14th, 2010), NVIDIA released OpenCL v1.1 pre-release drivers and SDK code samples to all GPU Computing registered developers.  Log in or apply for an account to download latest NVIDIA Drivers and Toolkits.
+2011-09-03.txt:03:39:32: <elliott> CakeProphet: Hey, I'm going to reban you again, because the nvidia code you linked me to uses fucktons of helpers that I can't find the definitions of
+2011-09-03.txt:08:03:37: <elliott> but some of the nvidia SDK examples are useful
+2011-09-03.txt:10:10:50: <ais523> there's a slideshow by NVidia somewhere where they did lots and lots of optimisations on an associative fold and watched it get faster and faster
+2011-09-03.txt:11:14:35: <zid> koth has loop problems, invidiaul has sniping problems
+2011-09-25.txt:22:21:50: <elliott_> What package are the proprietary nvidia drivers in again
+2011-09-25.txt:22:22:30: <fizzie> elliott_: 'nvidia-current' or some-such, but there's also that driver manager thing.
+2011-09-25.txt:22:24:00: <elliott_> And apparently the listed nvidia packages in Software Cetnre don't exist in my repositories.
+2011-09-25.txt:22:25:18: <elliott_> nvidia-current installs.
+2011-09-25.txt:22:27:31: <elliott_> OK, let's see if these nvidia drivers work.
+2011-09-26.txt:12:55:52: <elliott>   dvdauthor readom compizconfig-settings-manager nvidia-glx gnome-themes
+2011-10-13.txt:07:02:38: <fizzie> NVIDIA has that OptiX thing going on, for example; I don't know much more than the name about it, though.
+2011-10-13.txt:07:08:11: <fizzie> I don't think so. Googling hit a one-hour slidefest about the topic from SIGGRAPH 2011 (by NVIDIA) at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IC2NIogWR4
+2011-10-13.txt:07:08:57: <fizzie> There's a link to http://developer.nvidia.com/siggraph-2011 which lists all presentations from NVIDIA folks. (Haven't more than glanced at it.)
+2011-10-28.txt:18:28:54: <Vorpal> elliott, what about binary blobs that depend on certain stuff. Say, df, nwn, or even the amd or nvidia drivers?
+2011-11-08.txt:18:10:32: -!- tiffany has quit (Quit: restarting in attempt to fix nvidia drivers).
+2011-11-11.txt:02:24:05: <Gregor> Linux drivers made by the actual company that makes the thing being driven: nvidia GFX, ATI GFX, Intel GFX ... and nothing else.
+2011-11-12.txt:20:49:32: <Vorpal> elliott, well, nvidia sucks quite a bit nowdays too
+2011-11-12.txt:20:49:48: <Sgeo|chromcrash> nVidia sucks with Linux now? Boo
+2011-11-12.txt:20:50:14: <Vorpal> elliott, true. Still the open drivers for radeon are way ahead of the ones for nvidia
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