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2005-08-24.txt:08:17:11: <puzzlet> bird of feather
2006-09-02.txt:21:21:11: * GreyKnight pulls a feather off EagleBot
2006-09-21.txt:02:04:52: * ihope tcls pikhq with a feather
2006-10-10.txt:23:12:22: <lament> let's tar and feather him
2007-08-08.txt:03:30:57: <ihope> And how many people have created single-file compression algorithms called "feather" so far?
2007-11-03.txt:00:33:37: <GregorR> I JUST WANT TO TAR AND FEATHER YOU
2007-11-11.txt:22:52:45: <ihope_> Do you want a pound of feathers or a pound of lead?
2007-11-11.txt:22:53:42: <pikhq> (although I'll take either a pound of feathers or lead if it's signed by the Queen of England, so that it's legal tender)
2008-01-24.txt:21:39:18: <Slereah> I've got some "Feather trimming" program in project somewhere, to try to do some minimal length formula
2008-01-25.txt:21:33:28: <slereah_> Well, combinators are more like feathery.
2008-05-09.txt:13:53:37: <ais523> I'm thinking of calling it Feather, because it's so lightweight compared to most Smalltalks
2008-05-09.txt:15:26:45: <ais523> hmm... I think Feather has to be lazy, to prevent it infinite-looping in loads of common cases
2008-05-09.txt:15:27:28: <Slereah_> Feather?
2008-05-12.txt:17:10:59: <ais523> In Feather, everything is a function
2008-05-12.txt:17:12:16: <ais523> whereas Feather truly has no pointers
2008-05-12.txt:17:13:38: <ais523> I don't know of a language that attempted to use time-travel to implement inheritance, though, before Feather
2008-05-12.txt:17:15:20: <ais523> in Feather, pass-by-value is pass-by-reference, there's no way to distinguish between them
2008-05-12.txt:17:16:10: <ais523> in Feather, there will be boxed types too
2008-05-12.txt:17:18:05: <ehird> RodgerTheGreat: Feather has no primitives.
2008-05-12.txt:17:19:15: <ais523> at least from Feather's point of view
2008-05-12.txt:17:19:32: <ais523> the first thing a Feather program does when it starts up is to define its own primitives and syntax
2008-05-12.txt:17:20:12: <ais523> each iteration of the time loop happens simultaneously from Feather's point of view
2008-05-12.txt:17:21:35: <ais523> you just have to realise that Feather's timeline is not the same as the real-life timeline
2008-05-12.txt:17:22:05: <ais523> because Feather can be retroactively transformed into any other language
2008-05-12.txt:17:23:12: <ais523> but Feather itself is unaware that that's happened
2008-05-12.txt:17:24:08: <Deewiant> ais523: what part of this is different from "Feather is all programming languages, it just depends on the compiler/interp you use"
2008-05-12.txt:17:24:54: <Deewiant> ais523: so what rules does a Feather program have to obey to be able to be called that
2008-05-12.txt:17:25:27: <ais523> which is what makes it Feather rather than HQ9+, for instance
2008-05-12.txt:18:57:15: <ais523> it's only after thinking about Feather that I appreciate how it's even possible that a story can have someone go back in time, change a few details, then come back to the present and the world is much like it was when they left with only a few details changed
2008-05-12.txt:18:58:12: <ais523> both of those are common Feather scenarios, the second is something that you have to spend effort avoiding
2008-05-12.txt:19:00:40: <ehird> make that possible in feather
2008-05-29.txt:20:26:25: <ais523> I've been thinking about writing a Feather bootstrap for a while now
2008-05-29.txt:20:26:54: <ais523> because I'm getting fed up of waiting for a feather interp to spontaneously come into existence
2008-05-29.txt:20:27:34: <AnMaster> ais523, feather?
2008-05-29.txt:20:28:00: <ehird> AnMaster: feather is his infinitely-bootstrapped time-loop language
2008-05-29.txt:20:30:15: <oerjan> so this is a grand feather paradox?
2008-05-29.txt:20:35:59: <ais523> in Feather, assuming you're using a boxed number 2 (you would be normally but you need to deal with unboxed objects during bootstrapping)
2008-05-29.txt:20:36:29: <ehird> FeatherOS
2008-05-29.txt:20:36:32: <ais523> not everything is an object, unlike in Feather
2008-05-29.txt:20:55:58: <ehird> ais523: Feather, I hope.
2008-05-29.txt:20:56:47: <ais523> ehird: well, I have considered a feathernomic; its defining feature would probably be that all rulechanges were retroactive to the start of the nomic
2008-05-30.txt:20:55:52: <ais523> oh, Feather has no side effects either
2008-06-02.txt:18:44:59: <ais523> I have a question about what names I should use for things in Feather
2008-06-02.txt:18:53:30: <ais523> sorry, there aren't really in Feather either
2008-06-02.txt:18:54:54: <ais523> oh well, I'll have to think of something different in Feather
2008-06-02.txt:18:55:49: <ais523> (Feather's reminding me more and more of Smalltalk + Haskell + Scheme, by the way)
2008-06-02.txt:21:31:53: <ais523> Hiato: sounds like Feather in reverse
2008-06-02.txt:21:32:23: <Hiato> Feather? I will reference the wiki
2008-06-02.txt:21:35:14: <ais523> but I've only got to documenting Basic Feather so far
2008-06-02.txt:21:50:04: <ais523> as for Feather, primitiveBe is the thing that really sets it apart from other languages, although you have to be careful using it to avoid an infinite loop
2008-06-03.txt:20:44:19: <ais523> anyway, I pasted a bit of what I'd done so far on Feather a while ago
2008-06-03.txt:20:45:45: <ais523> <ais523> anyway, I pasted a bit of what I'd done so far on Feather a while ago
2008-06-10.txt:17:33:46: <ais523> or like writing Feather in Feather?
2008-06-13.txt:19:20:08: <ais523> if there were, then maybe TRDS could be used to write Feather
2008-06-13.txt:19:21:38: <ais523> tusho: yes, that's the operation I want in Feather, really
2008-06-15.txt:17:18:22: <ais523> oh dear, this is starting to remind me of Feather again
2008-06-15.txt:18:01:33: <ais523> tusho: either that, or just wait for a Feather interp with the required features to spontaneously pop into existence
2008-06-15.txt:18:01:48: <tusho> Feather in JS
2008-06-15.txt:18:02:43: <tusho> (Feathers? Feathejs? Get it?)
2008-06-15.txt:18:02:44: <ais523> whose only purpose was to optimise for the operations Feather did
2008-06-15.txt:18:03:17: <tusho> ais523: the good thing about feather in JS is that it'll be totally detached from traditional consoles
2008-06-15.txt:18:03:36: <ais523> the major unusual operation in Feather is giving an argument to a continuation which is almost identical to what the call/cc returned in the first place
2008-06-15.txt:18:05:50: <tusho> it will have a server-side for sharing feather images, though
2008-06-15.txt:18:06:00: <tusho> so is Feather
2008-06-15.txt:18:06:20: <ais523> tusho: because say if you're writing a feather interp in JS
2008-06-15.txt:18:06:22: <tusho> but the actual thing that saves it will be writteni n feather
2008-06-15.txt:18:06:50: <ais523> anyway, a Feather interp in Feather is trivial
2008-06-15.txt:18:07:19: <ais523> Feather has eval so that you can modify it
2008-06-15.txt:18:08:40: <tusho> ais523: shall we just call feathejs ... feather?
2008-06-15.txt:18:09:03: <ais523> call it feathers
2008-06-15.txt:18:09:43: <tusho> ais523: feathers will just make people mix up feather and feathers
2008-06-15.txt:18:09:47: <ais523> I like the idea of multiple feather interps
2008-06-15.txt:18:10:11: <ais523> after all, feather images /are/ portable between interps
2008-06-15.txt:18:34:58: <tusho> which will be useful for feather apps
2008-06-15.txt:18:35:45: <ais523> but the class browser itself would be written in Feather
2008-06-15.txt:18:35:55: <tusho> I mean we would interface jquery ui into feather
2008-06-15.txt:18:36:11: <ais523> tusho: you would make the jquery UI available as IO commands that Feather could use
2008-06-15.txt:18:37:16: <ais523> tusho: yes you can, you just reimplement it in Feather
2008-06-15.txt:18:37:30: <ais523> Feather is worse
2008-06-15.txt:18:43:14: <tusho> just because of the nature of feather
2008-06-16.txt:00:14:12: <tusho> Feather, which lets you retroactively change time
2008-06-17.txt:20:49:49: * tusho watches RodgerTheGreat come and say "THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE! JUST LIKE FEATHER!"
2008-06-17.txt:20:52:30: <tusho> unless it's feather
2008-06-17.txt:22:05:06: <ais523> and things like Feather are just fun
2008-06-18.txt:15:36:31: <ais523> for instance, I'll definitely need a Feather interp before I figure out what the spec should be
2008-06-18.txt:15:37:47: <oklofok> when you first talked about feather, i had no idea what the use was for the retroactivity, then later half-invented it myself, when trying to solve the same problem :P
2008-06-18.txt:15:38:01: <oklofok> half-invented, because i realized what i was doing was what feather was doing
2008-06-18.txt:15:42:01: <ais523> but the great thing about Feather is that it can be retrofitted onto the language
2008-06-18.txt:15:42:41: <ais523> Feather has eval so that you can modify it!
2008-06-18.txt:15:45:12: <ais523> oklofok: you can do that in Feather
2008-06-18.txt:15:45:37: <ais523> well, I'm trying to make the base of Feather as tarpitty as possible
2008-06-19.txt:16:09:01: <ais523> that retroactivity's so confused that it doesn't even make sense in Feather
2008-06-19.txt:16:13:28: <tusho> ais523: could you express it in feather, though?
2008-06-19.txt:16:13:48: <ais523> tusho: a retroactive Feather change has to be legal in the situation that was retroactively changed from
2008-06-19.txt:16:14:23: <ais523> tusho: nothing, it would be inexpressible, assuming that CANNOT in B Nomic == inexpressible in Feather
2008-06-19.txt:16:15:39: <tusho> oh, and is a feather compiler possible? :P
2008-06-19.txt:16:16:32: <ais523> oh, and a Feather compiler would have to bundle an interp
2008-06-19.txt:16:17:11: <ais523> e.g. you can get the source code for a Feather interp by first retroactively modifying the language to expose the source code of all functions, and then looking at it
2008-06-19.txt:16:31:12: <tusho> ais523: I think we need #feather, because js2cps is a pretty big thingy
2008-06-19.txt:16:31:28: <ais523> tusho: #feather already exists
2008-06-19.txt:16:32:51: <tusho> ais523: write an ircd in feather
2008-06-19.txt:16:33:09: <ais523> tusho: ugh, Feather hates IO
2008-06-19.txt:16:33:30: <tusho> ais523: it occurs to me that Feathejs is like the ideal implementation of feather
2008-06-19.txt:16:35:44: * tusho tries to come up with a channel name that illustrates feather's retroactivity
2008-06-19.txt:16:36:37: <tusho> #featherlanguage
2008-06-19.txt:16:36:43: <ais523> #featherlang
2008-06-19.txt:16:36:48: <tusho> ais523: #feather-lang
2008-06-19.txt:16:41:31: <jix> what's feather?
2008-06-19.txt:16:43:16: <ais523> I'm also making a functional version, protoFeather
2008-06-19.txt:16:43:40: <ais523> and thus become Feather
2008-06-19.txt:16:43:51: <tusho> ais523: feathejs should implement protoFeather
2008-06-19.txt:16:43:54: <tusho> but by default load a Feather image
2008-06-19.txt:16:50:38: <ais523> jix: finding ways to do that is one major part of my effort in Feather
2008-06-19.txt:20:20:52: <tusho> GregorR: Rule 1 of #esoteric: Your language does not need a channel, unless it's Feather.
2008-06-27.txt:18:07:05: <ais523> cherez: worth it, although Feather requires a whole new set of tenses
2008-06-27.txt:23:28:22: <ais523> psygnisfive: try implementing Feather, I'm struggling
2008-06-27.txt:23:28:46: <psygnisfive> whats feather.
2008-06-27.txt:23:29:47: <ais523> I have partial notes on a few feather-like objects
2008-06-27.txt:23:32:34: <ais523> AnMaster: Feather
2008-06-27.txt:23:38:46: <ais523> whereas in Feather you can take information from one possible path and use it to modify the next path that's tried
2008-06-27.txt:23:41:26: <ais523> also, feather's interesting due to consistent time travel rules
2008-06-27.txt:23:49:09: <ais523> oh, and the major problem with Feather programming is avoiding timeloops
2008-06-30.txt:23:32:44: <ais523> tusho: heh, you could do that in Feather
2008-07-03.txt:16:08:02: <ais523> olsner: TwoDucks (uncomputable), Feather (not properly specced and unimplemented)
2008-07-14.txt:19:46:28: <tusho> and feather
2008-07-14.txt:20:45:36: <tusho> ihope: Feather. :P
2008-07-14.txt:20:45:47: <ais523> tusho: Feather has lambda too
2008-07-14.txt:20:46:25: <ihope> What is Feather?
2008-07-17.txt:21:15:49: <ais523> oklopol: I did, it reminded me a bit of Feather and a bit of TwoDucks
2008-07-17.txt:21:17:39: <ais523> oklopol: yes, I know, but that sort of lang is good for implementing Feather in
2008-08-06.txt:22:08:27: <ais523> in Feather, pass by reference and pass by value are indistinguishable
2008-08-06.txt:22:08:36: <SimonRC> ais523: where is Feather?
2008-08-06.txt:22:09:09: <SimonRC> what, Haskell or Feather?
2008-08-06.txt:22:09:28: <ais523> Feather
2008-08-08.txt:20:43:53: <tusho> feather
2008-08-08.txt:20:44:04: <AnMaster> I want to see a feather interpreter
2008-08-08.txt:20:44:18: <ais523> AnMaster: Feather is sufficiently general that after a while everything seems like "that sounds like Feather", it takes over your brain
2008-08-08.txt:20:44:48: <ais523> AnMaster: you absolutely need to bundle the source code with Feather, it's possible to prove it
2008-08-08.txt:20:45:18: <AnMaster> ais523, I don't know enough about feather really
2008-08-08.txt:20:45:47: <AnMaster> ais523, give us hello world in feather!
2008-08-08.txt:20:45:54: <tusho> feather is everything
2008-08-08.txt:20:46:01: <tusho> you can make it the opposite of feather
2008-08-08.txt:20:46:05: <tusho> you can make it so that it never was feather
2008-08-08.txt:20:46:46: <ais523> AnMaster: no, although a Feathernomic would be awesome
2008-08-08.txt:20:47:21: <ais523> I really want to implement Feather
2008-08-08.txt:20:47:34: <tusho> ais523: let's implement feather starting tomorrow
2008-08-08.txt:20:47:34: <ais523> I'll start by implementing Protofeather, I think, which was a lang I invented to write a Feather interp in
2008-08-08.txt:20:49:32: <tusho> feather confuses us enough, it'd be nice to have some base cases
2008-08-08.txt:20:50:00: <ais523> Feather's basic operation is reasonably easy to write in terms of call/cc
2008-08-08.txt:20:50:01: <AnMaster> ais523, well what is the basic syntax of non-modified feather?
2008-08-08.txt:20:50:43: <ais523> I invented Feather after thinking about Smalltalk for a while
2008-08-08.txt:21:59:48: <ais523> tusho: after Feather and Underload and Underlambda and all the other stuff we're going to do
2008-08-09.txt:16:25:42: <tusho> ais523: #feather-lang
2008-08-09.txt:19:59:45: <AnMaster> ColourFeather
2008-08-09.txt:20:00:16: <tusho> AnMaster: Just use feather to overwrite its eval with a modified interpreter
2008-08-11.txt:19:49:45: <AnMaster> ais523, you never posted those specs and examples of feather btw
2008-08-12.txt:19:07:17: <tusho> optbot: feather
2008-08-12.txt:19:07:21: <tusho> optbot: feather has that? cool
2008-08-23.txt:17:41:11: <AnMaster> ais523, feather?
2008-08-23.txt:18:11:51: <AnMaster> oklopol, implement feather after ais523 write some specs for it? ;D
2008-08-25.txt:17:17:58: <ais523> very Feather
2008-08-26.txt:18:39:06: <dogface> Rar and feather.
2008-08-26.txt:18:40:14: <GregorR> Heh, somebody should invent tags for .tar files called "feathers", so you can tar and feather your files.
2008-09-05.txt:20:06:30: <AnMaster> GreyKnight, like ais523's Feather?
2008-09-07.txt:20:36:00: <AnMaster> I mean, Feather makes me go "wow"
2008-09-07.txt:20:36:19: <tusho> feather is one of those, but...
2008-09-08.txt:20:05:33: <AnMaster> ais523, any news? feather maybe?
2008-09-11.txt:13:12:26: <tusho> his universe runs on feather
2008-09-12.txt:18:14:33: <AnMaster> ais523, how goes feather?
2008-09-12.txt:23:57:09: <tusho>  Today, Niklas raped a bird. The bird then raped a Elliott's butt which proceeded to eat fish. be a rapist. and hump feathers. Suddenly, the website for Later that day, a rapist raped himself. Then a bird, who was a rapist, raped Niklas. It was rapelicious. One day, Niklas was not raped he raped a bird and it was still rapelicious. Speaking of rapelicious, I have heard of a rapist beard. 5+5=10 Rape is fun. Yiff!
2008-09-16.txt:21:25:36: <AnMaster> ais523, how goes gcc-bf and Feather?
2008-09-20.txt:20:24:11: <ais523> "I am programming", in English, but "Feather is correct-to-program", in Latin literally translated to English
2008-09-23.txt:15:56:18: <AnMaster> ais523, Feather!
2008-09-23.txt:18:09:07: <AnMaster> ais523, and I would like Feather if you ever got it done ;P
2008-09-23.txt:18:09:32: <tusho> yeah AnMaster thinks he likes feather
2008-09-23.txt:18:12:21: <AnMaster> and well Feather would change the language
2008-09-23.txt:18:12:35: <ais523> Feather would change everything
2008-09-23.txt:18:13:02: <AnMaster> ais523, could you even make any meaningful programs in Feather without changing the language?
2008-09-23.txt:18:15:19: <AnMaster> but I may be wrong since you failed to explain how feather actually works ;P
2008-09-23.txt:18:15:34: <AnMaster> ais523, hello world program in feather please?
2008-09-23.txt:18:15:47: <ais523> AnMaster: I can't write anything in Feather yet, not even a NOP, really
2008-09-23.txt:18:16:20: <AnMaster> ais523, what language do you plan to implement feather in? or the boot strap feather in
2008-09-23.txt:18:18:06: * tusho notes down: Fork Feather at nearest oppertunity
2008-09-23.txt:18:18:28: <ais523> one of the main problems with Feather is I feel it needs an interp before it can be properly specced
2008-09-23.txt:18:23:23: <oerjan> feather should clearly be written in Coq or Agda
2008-09-23.txt:18:30:00: <ais523> continuations are very very important to the way I plan to implement Feather
2008-09-23.txt:18:30:24: <ais523> in fact I was thinking about writing my own language in C, merely implemented to optimise continuations for the unusual use they'll see in a Feather program
2008-09-25.txt:22:18:16: <ais523> wow, oklofok invented Feather
2008-09-26.txt:21:20:59: <tusho> ais523: imagine an AnMaster written feather interp...
2008-09-28.txt:16:01:34: <AnMaster> tusho, the language itself self modifies? Somewhat like Feather then?
2008-09-29.txt:14:37:50: <ais523> unlike something like Feather which keeps running away when I think about it
2008-10-06.txt:09:49:47: <AnMaster> ais523, Feather?
2008-10-06.txt:09:54:56: <ais523> I plan to implement pretty much all of Feather with multireturning call/cc
2008-10-17.txt:12:39:47: <ais523> hmm... I've realised that all my 4 or so outstanding problems to solve before I can implement Feather are actually the same problem
2008-10-17.txt:12:40:56: <ais523> the outstanding problem in Feather is: to determine what in the program after a change corresponded to what before a change
2008-10-17.txt:14:56:22: <ais523> I think I might know how to get Feather to work...
2008-10-17.txt:15:00:05: <oklopol> ais523: sorry, i confused feather with your other unimplementable language
2008-10-17.txt:15:00:16: <AnMaster> oklopol, feather is implementable isn't it?
2008-10-17.txt:15:00:20: <ais523> Feather is at least in theory implementable, I think
2008-10-17.txt:15:14:45: <ais523> basically, the way I think Feather will do it is that input and output are tagged with their /purpose/
2008-10-17.txt:15:14:56: <AnMaster> ais523, could you make feather become befunge?
2008-10-17.txt:15:15:21: <ais523> as at some point the program would need to be a Feather/Befunge polyglot
2008-10-17.txt:15:15:36: <AnMaster> for original feather
2008-10-17.txt:15:26:04: <AnMaster> ais523, could feather become any other language?
2008-10-17.txt:15:26:41: <ais523> unless you wrote the program as a Feather/Befunge polyglot from the start, which could be fun
2008-10-17.txt:15:26:52: <ais523> AnMaster: you'd have to implement them in Feather
2008-10-17.txt:15:27:11: <ais523> I/O and standard library and such couldn't be in part of the becomed language unless they were in Feather's stdlib to start with
2008-10-17.txt:15:28:42: <AnMaster> ais523, if you could have that on the first line as first char, the befunge/feather polygot would be easy
2008-10-17.txt:15:29:05: <ais523> and that also would make Befunge/Feather an easy polyglot
2008-10-17.txt:15:29:26: <AnMaster> how would it handle the befunge program overwriting parts of the feather code?
2008-10-17.txt:15:29:41: <ais523> AnMaster: it wouldn't care, at the time the Befunge program ran the Feather code would no longer exist
2008-10-17.txt:15:30:08: <ais523> if Feather modified itself into Befunge itself, you couldn't modify it back as Befunge has no command to retroactively change itself into Feather
2008-10-17.txt:15:30:42: <ais523> however, modifying Feather into Befunge definitely qualifies as an insane change
2008-10-17.txt:15:31:35: <ais523> the rule for a sane Feather parser change is that in addition to the other requirements to be sane, it has to be backwards-compatible
2008-10-17.txt:15:41:54: <ais523> hmm... you could do a Feather quine by causing the parser to output its input rather than parsing it, retroactively
2008-10-17.txt:15:45:10: <ais523> in Feather, though, the executable can modify the source and it changes accordingly, whilst still running
2008-10-17.txt:15:45:41: <ais523> hmm... lazy parsing might be useful in Feather, not necessary, but nice
2008-10-17.txt:15:47:06: <AnMaster> ais523, you could add it from within feather anyway ;P
2008-10-17.txt:15:47:47: <ais523> the nature of any Feather interp is that it has to be written entirely in Feather
2008-10-17.txt:15:48:18: <ais523> so you start off with two versions of the same interp, one in Feather, one in some other lang, which both do exactly the same thing
2008-10-17.txt:15:49:02: <ais523> that seems like a better bet than hoping a Feather interp will spontaneously come into existence, great as that would be
2008-10-17.txt:15:49:15: <ais523> once Feather is running, it's under the impression that there are an infinite number of layers of Feather interps under it
2008-10-17.txt:17:56:39: <ais523> AnMaster: not even if you write featherfunge some day?
2008-10-17.txt:17:57:21: <AnMaster> 1) There is no working Feather yet
2008-10-17.txt:17:57:24: <ais523> that involves having a working Feather first
2008-10-17.txt:17:57:38: <AnMaster> 2) I never said I would write a feather funge indeed
2008-10-19.txt:12:02:24: <ais523> hmm... figuring out how to hot-change parts of a Feather program while it's running is a major problem
2008-10-20.txt:10:13:52: <ais523> oklopol: hmm... Feather makes me feel the same way, or worse
2008-10-20.txt:15:17:24: <AnMaster> then that is purely hypothetical, at least until ais523 implements Feather
2008-10-20.txt:19:38:12: <AnMaster> psygnisfive, ever heard of Feather?
2008-10-21.txt:18:56:01: <ais523|busy> I wonder if it will be easier or harder to implement than Feather
2008-10-21.txt:18:56:35: <ais523|busy> anyway, I think I've figured out how to prevent Feather going into an infinite loop (as opposed to arbitrary loop) when it parses the parser with itself
2008-10-21.txt:18:57:04: <ais523|busy> Deewiant: it's a Feather thing
2008-10-21.txt:19:02:39: <oklopol> #feather is taken, i see
2008-10-21.txt:19:03:08: <ais523|busy> #feather-lang is the appropriate channel
2008-10-29.txt:16:01:00: <ehird> is a persistent, permanent URI that doesn't depend on anything changing (you can't retroactively not have that email at that time unless you're in featherworld)
2008-11-03.txt:17:41:34: <ehird> jayCampbell: feather!
2008-11-03.txt:17:42:02: <ais523> ehird: please don't randomly throw out Feather references to people who haven't seen it before, it took several weeks to explain the first time
2008-11-03.txt:17:44:20: <jayCampbell> what is feather?
2008-11-03.txt:17:47:11: <ais523> for what, Feather?
2008-11-03.txt:17:47:29: <ais523> so the parser, and indeed the entire interp, needs to be written from scratch in Feather
2008-11-03.txt:17:51:09: <ais523> which is about the only meaningful operation in Feather, and also the one that causes all the headaches
2008-11-03.txt:17:51:46: <ais523> a Feather codenomic would be entirely platonic, and you could retroactively change what the rules were in the past and have everything reinterpreted under those rules
2008-11-03.txt:17:52:46: <ais523> the main problem is that this is how Feather handles /everything/
2008-11-03.txt:17:53:26: <ais523> Feather defies comparison to anything, really
2008-11-03.txt:17:55:08: <jayCampbell> the "problem" being creating a code-based nomic, not feather's implementation
2008-11-03.txt:18:04:30: <ais523> I invented Feather originally because Smalltalk wasn't Smalltalky enough IMO, but it ended up as something moderately different
2008-11-03.txt:18:05:06: <psygnisfive> ais show me feather again
2008-11-03.txt:18:37:45: <ais523> unlike Feather, Cyclexa does have a spec
2008-11-03.txt:18:37:52: <ais523> but like Feather, it doesn't have an implementation
2008-11-05.txt:19:47:18: <ais523> the main problematicness in continuation-related thinking processes is the go-back-in-time thing (btw, I'm planning to use them for Feather, they're the perfect choice for it)
2008-11-10.txt:20:05:59: <AnMaster> ais523, how goes gcc-bf? ick? feather?
2008-11-10.txt:20:06:09: <AnMaster> I got a good name for a feather interpreter btw.
2008-11-10.txt:20:07:04: <AnMaster> 2) pens have traditionally been made from feathers
2008-11-10.txt:20:07:31: <oklopol> feather could be the name of a pen interpreter
2008-11-14.txt:22:16:34: <AnMaster> ais523, how goes ick, gcc-bf, feather and so on?
2008-11-25.txt:15:21:57: <ehird> do you have a beard? feather will take the world by storm
2008-11-25.txt:15:51:12: <ais523> ehird: Feather
2008-12-22.txt:18:50:44: <ais523> ehird: stop inventing Feather
2008-12-26.txt:21:03:03: <oklopol> but i think feather is the coolest self-parser sofar
2008-12-26.txt:21:03:46: * oerjan invents Banana Feather, it sort of fits in here
2009-01-14.txt:19:56:47: <AnMaster> <ais523> because then you could change the syntax at runtime <-- Feather!
2009-01-20.txt:18:02:51: <AnMaster> ais523, what about feather? It could be both :P
2009-01-20.txt:18:02:58: <ais523> AnMaster: ah, Feather
2009-01-20.txt:18:08:17: <AnMaster> ehird, you mean like Feather? ;P
2009-01-20.txt:18:08:35: <ais523> incidentally, my guiding goal for Feather starting syntax is "looks vaguely like Smalltalk, but for different reasons"
2009-01-20.txt:18:09:00: <AnMaster> ais523, oh, interesting, I would never have ended up with feather by that
2009-01-22.txt:15:21:10: <ais523> my other big new esolang project, besides Feather
2009-01-30.txt:15:14:56: <ehird> it's sort of like feather but not rly
2009-02-13.txt:21:49:18: * ais523 feather-dusters oerjan ----<<<
2009-02-15.txt:17:13:13: <ais523> oerjan: there's the method Feather uses
2009-03-01.txt:18:34:53: <AnMaster> ais523, any progress on Feather?
2009-03-08.txt:18:52:30: <ais523> or Feather and get people shouting at me to make some progress
2009-03-16.txt:18:47:45: <fizzie> Quetzalcoatl is the feathered snake. And couatl is a D&D monster that refers to that, and has the A symbol. So it's probably that.
2009-04-01.txt:23:04:26: <AnMaster> ais523, could you write Proud be written in Feather?
2009-04-01.txt:23:04:38: <ais523> no, Proud's uncomputable, Feather is not super-TC
2009-04-01.txt:23:04:46: <ais523> although Feather hurts my head, and I don't want my brain to explode right now
2009-04-01.txt:23:05:09: <cpt_obvious> wut's Feather?
2009-04-01.txt:23:06:05: <ais523> cpt_obvious: I suggest you ask in #feather-lang, I think it's empty atm so it'll be safe to ask
2009-04-01.txt:23:07:00: <ais523> which is another reason not to explain Feather right now
2009-04-01.txt:23:07:12: <ais523> explaining Feather to someone /who is drunk/ probably would cause a fatality
2009-04-01.txt:23:07:12: <ehird> ais523: I don't know; alcohol may well improve perception of Feather
2009-04-01.txt:23:07:55: <cpt_obvious> WTF is Feather
2009-04-01.txt:23:08:08: <ehird> cpt_obvious: feather is like, like, like, a trip, except the drug is time, man
2009-04-01.txt:23:09:05: <ais523> seeing as nothing in Feather can ever change
2009-04-05.txt:12:25:40: <AnMaster_ipv6> ais523, I guess you could do it in Feather though?
2009-04-05.txt:12:25:57: <ais523> Feather doesn't really define its I/O environment at all
2009-04-09.txt:22:29:14: <AnMaster> ehird, I much prefer the feather way of making true always have been false, all the time along
2009-04-09.txt:22:31:58: <AnMaster> ais523, Feather is TC to parse right
2009-04-09.txt:22:39:26: <ais523> AnMaster: what I mean with Feather is that the first pass is always trivial, because it's just tokenising into letters
2009-04-09.txt:22:44:18: <AnMaster> ais523, write a first stage parser then. I mean do you ever plan to spec, or even implement feather?
2009-04-09.txt:22:44:24: <AnMaster> btw why the name feather for it
2009-04-19.txt:17:45:13: <AnMaster> it's like feather then in that no one described it precisely enough for me to get a feeling of what it is like. Languages like that are like an itch (if you see what I mean).
2009-04-26.txt:19:08:14: <AnMaster> ais523, any progress on Feather
2009-04-29.txt:18:20:25: <fungot> AnMaster: ' that wouldn't be very nice, i'm fnord this is always done however fnord fnord: fnord those that have feathers, and bite, and those that have feathers, and bite, and those that have whiskers, and scratch.
2009-04-30.txt:00:59:07: <AnMaster> psygnisfive, what about Feather?
2009-04-30.txt:01:00:22: <AnMaster> psygnisfive, neither Feather or oklotalk are on the wiki. Trust me.
2009-05-28.txt:01:57:00: <coppro> ais523: what do the silver/gold medals and feathers on the level selection screen mean?
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