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2011-01-21.txt:16:31:56: <oerjan> Ilari: to be precise every context-sensitive language is in PSPACE, and some PSPACE-complete problems are, although not all since needing linear memory is not closed under polymial reductions
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2011-01-31.txt:06:15:26: <Lymia> Can somebody here patch the FukYorBrane reference implementation?
2011-01-31.txt:06:16:00: <Lymia> What's up with line 580
2011-01-31.txt:06:16:04: <Lymia> It's causing segfaults.
2011-01-31.txt:06:16:15: <Lymia> It looks like [procowner] should be [procowner-1]
2011-01-31.txt:06:19:22: <Lymia> :V
2011-01-31.txt:06:20:34: <Lymia> And somehow unnoticed.
2011-01-31.txt:06:20:36: <Lymia> ><
2011-01-31.txt:06:21:50: <Lymia> I assume a normal language with convoluted enoguh syntax will do.
2011-01-31.txt:06:22:09: <Lymia> enough*
2011-01-31.txt:06:22:15: <Lymia> kfr, and provide no other documentation.
2011-01-31.txt:06:22:16: <Lymia> ;)
2011-01-31.txt:06:22:21: <kfr> Lymia lol
2011-01-31.txt:06:22:39: <Lymia> Go read the source, or go read the binary.
2011-01-31.txt:06:22:40: <Lymia> :>
2011-01-31.txt:06:25:15: <Lymia> So.
2011-01-31.txt:06:25:20: <Lymia> If I understand what this bug means correctly.
2011-01-31.txt:06:25:31: <Lymia> * in a subprocess only works if you're the first program, and crashes otherwise.
2011-01-31.txt:06:25:39: <Lymia> And farthermore, it looks for the ; in the ENEMY program.
2011-01-31.txt:06:25:43: <Gregor> Lymia: 'til it was now fixed X-P
2011-01-31.txt:06:26:05: <Lymia> Anywhere to submit larger programs?
2011-01-31.txt:06:26:39: <Lymia> !fyb test http://example.com
2011-01-31.txt:06:26:42: <EgoBot> Score for Lymia_test: 0.0
2011-01-31.txt:06:27:30: <Gregor> Lymia: http://codu.org/eso/fyb/in_egobot/Lymia_test.fyb Yup, worked
2011-01-31.txt:06:27:51: <Lymia> HTML makes a horrible fighter. :V
2011-01-31.txt:06:28:22: <Gregor> Lymia: Can you defeat logicex-2? ^^
2011-01-31.txt:06:28:27: <Lymia> Yes.
2011-01-31.txt:06:28:29: <Lymia> One sec.
2011-01-31.txt:06:29:25: <Lymia> !fyb evil http://lymia.x10.bz/evil.fyb
2011-01-31.txt:06:29:58: <EgoBot> Score for Lymia_evil: 71.3
2011-01-31.txt:06:30:30: <Lymia> I think it's quite clear how it works.
2011-01-31.txt:06:30:30: <Lymia> :>
2011-01-31.txt:06:30:43: <Lymia> (I expected it to lose more agienst other bots actually)
2011-01-31.txt:06:30:57: <Lymia> Gregor, heh.
2011-01-31.txt:06:31:04: <Lymia> The bot destroys every ! command in LogicEx
2011-01-31.txt:06:31:12: <Lymia> Then goes bomb every single command.
2011-01-31.txt:06:31:25: <Lymia> It's explicitly targeted at logicex.
2011-01-31.txt:06:32:05: <Lymia> And it's very successful at doing just what it's meant to do.
2011-01-31.txt:06:32:06: <Lymia> :>
2011-01-31.txt:06:32:48: <Gregor> Lymia: It does pretty friggin' well otherwise, too (simply because running like hell and bombing randomly isn't a bad strategy)
2011-01-31.txt:06:33:05: <Lymia> Gregor, also, the fact that @ also sets the data pointer to the current instruction pointer isn't documented anywhere but the code.
2011-01-31.txt:06:34:17: <Lymia> You can fix logicex by adding a single nop somewhere.
2011-01-31.txt:06:34:17: <Lymia> :v
2011-01-31.txt:06:34:42: <Gregor> Lymia: Well, FYB is effectively "maintained" as part of EgoBot now, so you can get the fixed code in http://codu.org/projects/egobot/ . I will eventually retaliate, but for the time being I have other stuff to do :P
2011-01-31.txt:06:35:08: <Lymia> zzo38, you can pull from an external server that you don't own.
2011-01-31.txt:06:35:11: <Lymia> Including other's commits.
2011-01-31.txt:06:35:25: <Lymia> i.e. it comes into play when you pull from a fork
2011-01-31.txt:06:35:26: <zzo38> Lymia: OK, thanks.
2011-01-31.txt:06:48:23: <Lymia> Gregor, you have another segfault somewhere.
2011-01-31.txt:06:48:40: <Gregor> Lymia: YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
2011-01-31.txt:06:50:21: <Lymia> Have you considered rewriting this in a more memory safe language?
2011-01-31.txt:06:50:21: <Lymia> :v
2011-01-31.txt:06:51:27: <Lymia> if (!progSpent[procnum][*pptr]) {
2011-01-31.txt:06:51:32: <Lymia> You have a segfault in there.
2011-01-31.txt:06:54:44: <Lymia> Gregor, screw this. Quick question.
2011-01-31.txt:06:54:53: <Lymia> Every thread executes one opcode every tick, right?
2011-01-31.txt:08:10:55: <Lymia> !fyb crash :......;@<++!*
2011-01-31.txt:08:11:10: <EgoBot> Score for Lymia_crash: 3.2
2011-01-31.txt:18:17:55: <elliott> 06:36:06 <Lymia> I assume a normal language with convoluted enoguh syntax will do.
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2011-01-31.txt:23:50:26: <Lymia> Why are we talking about Lisp in #esoteric?
2011-01-31.txt:23:50:39: <olsner> Lymia: it's not us! it's nddrylliog
2011-01-31.txt:23:50:45: <Lymia> It would fi- *knived*
2011-01-31.txt:23:52:10: <Lymia> `-`
2011-01-31.txt:23:52:19: * Lymia hides from the spam
2011-01-31.txt:23:52:22: <Lymia> Spam dosn't fix the problem!
2011-01-31.txt:23:54:08: <elliott> quintopia: lymia said "`-`" which is probably meant to be some sort of smiley
2011-01-31.txt:23:54:21: * Lymia cries
2011-01-31.txt:23:54:30: <quintopia> lymia: try ;_; for cyring
2011-02-01.txt:00:02:37: <Lymia> Let's write a programming language based on Wang tiles.
2011-02-01.txt:00:04:29: <elliott> Lymia: no.
2011-02-01.txt:00:04:37: <Lymia> Why not?
2011-02-01.txt:00:04:47: <elliott> Lymia: because
2011-02-01.txt:00:05:27: <Lymia> Let's make a programming language based on complex numbers.
2011-02-01.txt:00:05:41: <elliott> Lymia: no
2011-02-01.txt:00:05:47: <Lymia> Why not? :(
2011-02-01.txt:00:06:00: <Lymia> quintopia, the only way to control program flow is to intentionally overflow buffers.
2011-02-01.txt:00:07:32: <Lymia> Figure it out.
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2011-02-01.txt:02:10:34: <Lymia> !fyb litterer http://lymia.x10.bz/evil.fyb
2011-02-01.txt:02:10:53: <EgoBot> Score for Lymia_litterer: 92.0
2011-02-01.txt:02:11:01: <Lymia> Brute force.
2011-02-01.txt:02:11:01: <Lymia> :v
2011-02-01.txt:02:12:24: <Lymia> http://codu.org/eso/fyb
2011-02-01.txt:02:12:39: <Lymia> The @@ pesudo op is so overpowered.
2011-02-01.txt:02:12:39: <Lymia> :
2011-02-01.txt:02:12:40: <Lymia> :v*
2011-02-01.txt:02:13:08: <Lymia> It's effect is to basicly set the instruction pointer to the current code pointer.
2011-02-01.txt:02:15:05: <Lymia> That program is basicly the FYB version of a CoreWars core clear.
2011-02-01.txt:02:23:45: <quintopia> Lymia: why doesn't litterer beat evil?
2011-02-01.txt:02:23:50: <Lymia> Dunno.
2011-02-01.txt:02:24:21: <Lymia> I'm not sure why evil beat so many things in the first place.
2011-02-01.txt:02:24:37: <Lymia> That big block of code is to get rid of every ! instruction in logicex-2
2011-02-01.txt:02:25:18: <Lymia> It's actual attack is literally nothing more than a quick scanner.
2011-02-01.txt:02:25:58: <Lymia> Hell, there's an ':' missing in it.
2011-02-01.txt:02:30:04: <Lymia> When you defect, the data pointer is set to the code pointer.
2011-02-01.txt:02:30:21: <Lymia> If you defect twice, the effect is that the data pointer is set to the address of the second defect.
2011-02-01.txt:02:30:28: <Lymia> But stays in the same player's code.
2011-02-01.txt:02:34:10: <Lymia> It's a much faster way than >>>>>>>>> to get to the middle of somebody's program.
2011-02-01.txt:02:44:07: <Lymia> !fyb litterer-2 http://lymia.x10.bz/evil.fyb
2011-02-01.txt:02:44:10: <EgoBot> Score for Lymia_litterer-2: 100.0
2011-02-01.txt:02:44:13: <Lymia> =D
2011-02-01.txt:02:45:05: <Lymia> quintopia, every thread runs once every tick.
2011-02-01.txt:02:45:10: <Lymia> It's not like corewars in that respect.
2011-02-01.txt:02:45:26: <quintopia> Lymia: how did you beat your previous tries?
2011-02-01.txt:02:45:41: <Lymia> quintopia, pad it until it works.
2011-02-01.txt:02:45:43: <Lymia> ;V
2011-02-01.txt:02:52:51: <Lymia> Gregor, you may want to take a look at the FYB scoreboard.
2011-02-01.txt:02:52:52: <Lymia> ;)
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2011-02-01.txt:05:32:37: <Lymia> !fyb crasher ::;;
2011-02-01.txt:05:33:38: <Lymia> I think I broke it.
2011-02-01.txt:05:34:18: <oerjan> Lymia: EgoBot sometimes times out, especially the first time it's used in a while
2011-02-01.txt:05:34:32: <Lymia> !fyb nothing +[]
2011-02-01.txt:05:34:39: <Lymia> Really?
2011-02-01.txt:05:35:46: <Lymia> kfr, Eh?
2011-02-01.txt:05:36:30: <Lymia> ((:::::)+):* -> $1
2011-02-01.txt:05:36:34: <Lymia> ::::: -> :
2011-02-01.txt:05:36:53: <Lymia> Still, doing it as part of a larger program sounds nasty.
2011-02-01.txt:05:52:24: <EgoBot> Score for Lymia_nothing: 0.9
2011-02-01.txt:05:52:24: <EgoBot> Score for Lymia_crasher: 0.9
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2011-02-01.txt:19:01:41: <ais523> hi Lymia
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2011-02-01.txt:19:15:12: <Lymia_> It's not like I'm particpating in this conversation. :v
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2011-02-01.txt:19:15:46: <ais523> Lymia: don't worry too much, there are lots of conversations I don't participate in too
2011-02-01.txt:19:16:04: <Lymia> I'm commenting on elliott's copy/paste more than anything.
2011-02-01.txt:19:16:12: <Lymia> Maybe I'm confused as to what s/he meant to do.
2011-02-01.txt:19:17:11: <ais523> Lymia: elliott wanted to reply to me, and was trying to give enough context that I knew what the replies meant
2011-02-01.txt:19:17:32: <elliott> Lymia: it's called logreading :)
2011-02-01.txt:20:08:08: <Lymia> Do you people know eachother?
2011-02-01.txt:20:08:34: <elliott> Lymia: yes
2011-02-01.txt:20:08:53: <Lymia> Know-in-real-life-know.
2011-02-01.txt:20:08:54: <Lymia> =p
2011-02-01.txt:20:11:53: <Lymia> elliott, sounds fun.
2011-02-01.txt:20:12:41: <elliott> Lymia: it is; it's quite difficult, though
2011-02-01.txt:21:16:57: <Lymia> fizzie, no suggestion of 'killall -9 firefox'?
2011-02-01.txt:21:17:24: <Lymia> ais523, I'm guessing it's syncing it's configuration, etc to disk.
2011-02-01.txt:21:17:41: <ais523> Lymia: yep, it'll be something like that
2011-02-01.txt:21:17:58: <Lymia> elliott, and I do believe this is pre-optimization.
2011-02-01.txt:21:18:12: <Lymia> Fun fact: DF is compiled with symbol information.
2011-02-01.txt:21:18:25: <Lymia> In theory you could recover the source to an decent degree.
2011-02-01.txt:21:18:26: <Lymia> =D
2011-02-01.txt:21:18:34: <elliott> Lymia: not really
2011-02-01.txt:21:18:48: <ais523> Lymia: does it have line number info too?
2011-02-01.txt:21:18:53: <Lymia> ais523, dunno.
2011-02-01.txt:21:19:10: <ais523> Lymia: easy way to check is to open it in a debugger and try to set a breakpoint by line number
2011-02-01.txt:21:19:18: <Lymia> Good idea.
2011-02-01.txt:21:19:19: <Lymia> =p
2011-02-01.txt:21:19:22: <Lymia> Would gdb do?
2011-02-01.txt:21:20:25: <Lymia> Reading symbols from C:\Users\hiedanoakyu\games\df_31_12_win/dwarfort.exe...(no
2011-02-01.txt:21:20:26: <Lymia> debugging symbols found)...done.
2011-02-01.txt:21:20:26: <Lymia> Eh?
2011-02-01.txt:21:20:37: <ais523> Lymia: how confusing
2011-02-01.txt:21:20:56: <Lymia> I recall seeing function names in it's binary at least.
2011-02-01.txt:21:21:10: <Lymia> And they're names that should be unique to DF.
2011-02-01.txt:21:21:11: <elliott> Lymia: you'd have a lot better chance on Linux...
2011-02-01.txt:21:21:26: <Lymia> elliott, ?
2011-02-01.txt:21:21:38: <Lymia> Ah.
2011-02-01.txt:21:21:45: <Lymia> Good idea.
2011-02-01.txt:21:21:46: <Lymia> =p
2011-02-01.txt:21:35:00: * Lymia gives elliott a random hug
2011-02-02.txt:02:11:36: <Lymia> This channel is full of natrual language geeks too?
2011-02-02.txt:02:11:36: <Lymia> :V
2011-02-02.txt:02:11:56: <oerjan> Lymia: there's even a real linguist here (hi augur)
2011-02-02.txt:02:12:13: <Lymia> I thought people usually said that about Japanese.
2011-02-02.txt:02:12:17: <Lymia> Not Finnish.
2011-02-02.txt:02:12:39: <tswett> Lymia: people also say that Finnish is just a cipher of Japanese.
2011-02-02.txt:02:12:49: <oerjan> Lymia: there's a certain similarity between them, syllable structure and agglutination
2011-02-02.txt:02:13:33: <Lymia> tswett, well.
2011-02-02.txt:02:13:35: <Lymia> I can say this.
2011-02-02.txt:02:13:40: <Lymia> I've never heard of that one before.
2011-02-02.txt:02:13:41: <Lymia> =p
2011-02-02.txt:02:13:58: <Lymia> Then again, the non-computer science related communities I go to are usually anime related.
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2011-02-02.txt:03:53:58: <Lymia> `-`
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2011-02-04.txt:21:42:49: <Lymia> !fyb nothing-2 +[]
2011-02-04.txt:21:43:53: <EgoBot> Score for Lymia_nothing-2: 1.0
2011-02-04.txt:21:44:04: <Lymia> :v
2011-02-04.txt:21:44:10: <Lymia> report.txt was empty before.
2011-02-04.txt:21:44:33: <Lymia> ais523, you think that's bad?
2011-02-04.txt:21:45:10: <Lymia> If you write "@@", you set the data pointer to the current code pointer.
2011-02-04.txt:21:45:14: <Lymia> Let the implications of that sink in.
2011-02-04.txt:21:45:48: <Lymia> So.
2011-02-04.txt:21:45:52: <Lymia> You don't need to write [+]
2011-02-04.txt:21:45:57: <Lymia> You can write @+
2011-02-04.txt:21:46:25: <Lymia> It's prefixed by user names.
2011-02-04.txt:21:47:39: <Lymia> I'll bring my response.
2011-02-04.txt:21:47:54: <elliott> Lymia: link me to report.txt?
2011-02-04.txt:21:48:07: <Lymia> http://codu.org/eso/fyb/report.txt
2011-02-04.txt:21:48:12: <Lymia> You killed my @@ abuse bot.
2011-02-04.txt:21:48:12: <Lymia> :(
2011-02-04.txt:21:48:13: <Lymia> Oh well.
2011-02-04.txt:21:48:16: <Lymia> I'm still at the top!
2011-02-04.txt:21:49:00: <ais523> Lymia: have you looked at BF Joust? it's another similar game
2011-02-04.txt:21:49:04: <Lymia> Nope.
2011-02-04.txt:21:50:19: <Lymia> !fyb explode :@+[%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%];:{>>}[+]++++++++++++++!;@@:{>>}[+]++++++++++++++!;
2011-02-04.txt:21:50:22: <EgoBot> Score for Lymia_explode: 14.8
2011-02-04.txt:21:50:33: <ais523> Lymia: does ;: do anything but waste time?
2011-02-04.txt:21:50:39: <Lymia> :;
2011-02-04.txt:21:50:41: <Lymia> Starts a new thread.
2011-02-04.txt:21:51:12: <Lymia> ;: is the end of a thread followed by the start of a thread.
2011-02-04.txt:21:51:26: <Lymia> !fyb explode :@+[%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%];:{>>}[+]++++++++++++++!;@@:{>>}[+]++++++++++++++!;
2011-02-04.txt:21:51:29: <EgoBot> Score for Lymia_explode: 46.0
2011-02-04.txt:21:51:36: <Lymia> !fyb explode :@+[%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%];:{>>}[+]++++++++++++++!;@@:{>>}[+]++++++++++++++!;
2011-02-04.txt:21:51:38: <EgoBot> Score for Lymia_explode: 29.6
2011-02-04.txt:21:51:43: <Lymia> Strange.
2011-02-04.txt:21:52:38: <Lymia> Another thing I dislike about FYB is that due to the @@ trick, you can reliablly generate a bot that will kill a target bot.
2011-02-04.txt:21:52:52: <Lymia> Automaticly.
2011-02-04.txt:21:52:58: <Lymia> And have it push other things off the hill too.
2011-02-04.txt:21:53:00: <ais523> Lymia: doesn't @ defect to the :, then + change it in-memory to a ;?
2011-02-04.txt:21:53:11: <Lymia> ais523, eh?
2011-02-04.txt:21:53:16: <Lymia> @ sets the data pointer to the code pointer.
2011-02-04.txt:21:53:36: <Lymia> As the code being executed is @, the value has to be one away from overflow.
2011-02-04.txt:21:53:39: <Lymia> + causes it to overflow.
2011-02-04.txt:21:53:48: <Lymia> It does the opposite too.
2011-02-04.txt:21:53:52: <Lymia> @ does this exactly.
2011-02-04.txt:21:54:02: <Lymia> First, it sets the data pointer to the code pointer.
2011-02-04.txt:21:54:12: <Lymia> Then, it switches the data pointer from your program to the enemy's program, or vice versa.
2011-02-04.txt:21:54:36: <Lymia> Nope.
2011-02-04.txt:21:56:01: <Lymia> litterer-2 basicly uses @@ to sprinkle lines of bombs all over the enemy's code.
2011-02-04.txt:21:56:10: <Lymia> And hoping that it hits some code.
2011-02-04.txt:21:57:19: <Lymia> ais523, defect switches between the two tapes.
2011-02-04.txt:21:57:42: <Lymia> Lisp?
2011-02-04.txt:21:57:46: <Lymia> No.
2011-02-04.txt:21:57:54: <elliott> Lymia: nope
2011-02-04.txt:21:57:58: <Lymia> Objective C or something?
2011-02-04.txt:21:58:01: <Lymia> Smalltalk?
2011-02-04.txt:21:59:17: <Lymia> That's disgusting.
2011-02-04.txt:21:59:26: <elliott> Lymia: what is?
2011-02-04.txt:21:59:39: <Lymia> Gregor, I wait to see your response.
2011-02-04.txt:21:59:54: <Lymia> Actually.
2011-02-04.txt:21:59:58: <Lymia> !fyb litterer-clone-1 http://lymia.x10.bz/evil.fyb
2011-02-04.txt:22:00:01: <Lymia> !fyb litterer-clone-2 http://lymia.x10.bz/evil.fyb
2011-02-04.txt:22:00:02: <EgoBot> Score for Lymia_litterer-clone-1: 81.2
2011-02-04.txt:22:00:03: <Lymia> !fyb litterer-clone-3 http://lymia.x10.bz/evil.fyb
2011-02-04.txt:22:00:05: <EgoBot> Score for Lymia_litterer-clone-2: 73.0
2011-02-04.txt:22:00:06: <Lymia> !fyb litterer-clone-4 http://lymia.x10.bz/evil.fyb
2011-02-04.txt:22:00:08: <EgoBot> Score for Lymia_litterer-clone-3: 64.2
2011-02-04.txt:22:00:09: <Lymia> Let's clean out the hill.
2011-02-04.txt:22:00:10: <EgoBot> Score for Lymia_litterer-clone-4: 58.3
2011-02-04.txt:22:00:13: <elliott> hey, Lymia
2011-02-04.txt:22:00:22: <Lymia> =3
2011-02-04.txt:22:00:33: <Lymia> lol
2011-02-04.txt:22:00:38: <Lymia> They just pushed eachother down.
2011-02-04.txt:22:01:32: <elliott> Lymia: what's disgusting?
2011-02-04.txt:22:01:38: <Lymia> Nothing~
2011-02-04.txt:22:03:50: <Lymia> !fyb alicia http://lymia.x10.bz/evil.fyb
2011-02-04.txt:22:03:53: <EgoBot> Score for Lymia_alicia: 98.0
2011-02-04.txt:22:04:40: <Lymia> Heh.
2011-02-04.txt:22:04:47: <Lymia> One additional thing I might like about BF joust.
2011-02-04.txt:22:05:04: <Lymia> ais523, self-bombers
2011-02-04.txt:22:05:14: <ais523> Lymia: it /is/ a self-bomber
2011-02-04.txt:22:05:24: <Lymia> !fyb real-lose [@+++++++++++++++!]
2011-02-04.txt:22:05:28: <EgoBot> Score for Lymia_real-lose: 5.1
2011-02-04.txt:22:05:32: <Lymia> !fyb real-lose-2 +[@+++++++++++++++!]
2011-02-04.txt:22:05:37: <EgoBot> Score for Lymia_real-lose-2: 5.1
2011-02-04.txt:22:05:39: <Lymia> elliott, there are none.
2011-02-04.txt:22:05:40: <Lymia> What.
2011-02-04.txt:22:05:44: <Lymia> What is it wining agienst.
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