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2008-08-22.txt:17:29:57: <AnMaster> hm he is certainly a math nerd it seems 2010-04-15.txt:03:25:50: -!- Mathnerd314 has joined #esoteric. 2010-04-15.txt:05:52:41: <Mathnerd314> hm, is http://www.frappr.com/esolang down? 2010-04-15.txt:05:58:40: <Mathnerd314> ok 2010-04-15.txt:05:59:11: <Mathnerd314> how esoteric does a language have to be to be discussable on #esoteric? 2010-04-15.txt:06:00:03: <Mathnerd314> ok 2010-04-15.txt:08:23:43: <oerjan> <Mathnerd314> how esoteric does a language have to be to be discussable on #esoteric? 2010-04-15.txt:14:25:05: <Quadrescence> Mathnerd314: If it's as esoteric as Perl, then it's allowed. 2010-04-15.txt:16:04:21: -!- Mathnerd314 has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 2010-04-15.txt:16:05:52: -!- Mathnerd314 has joined #esoteric. 2010-04-15.txt:21:07:04: <Mathnerd314> Sgeo|web: what does it do? 2010-04-15.txt:23:02:02: -!- Mathnerd314 has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.2.2/20100316074819]). 2010-04-15.txt:23:18:51: -!- Mathnerd314 has joined #esoteric. 2010-04-16.txt:00:40:58: -!- Mathnerd314 has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.2.2/20100316074819]). 2010-04-16.txt:01:01:25: -!- Mathnerd314_ has joined #esoteric. 2010-04-16.txt:01:01:28: -!- Mathnerd314_ is now known as Mathnerd314. 2010-04-16.txt:02:41:28: <Mathnerd314> hmm... channel is missing +t 2010-04-16.txt:02:43:22: <Mathnerd314> well, it's set by default - so someone removed it 2010-04-16.txt:02:45:04: <Mathnerd314> therefore it's missing 2010-04-16.txt:02:47:05: <Mathnerd314> +t is /in storage/ ? 2010-04-16.txt:02:48:22: <Mathnerd314> so the channel "does not have" +t 2010-04-17.txt:18:27:34: -!- Mathnerd314 has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.2.2/20100316074819]). 2010-04-18.txt:01:50:25: -!- Mathnerd314 has joined #esoteric. 2010-04-18.txt:03:50:37: -!- Mathnerd314 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 2010-04-18.txt:04:20:56: -!- Mathnerd314 has joined #esoteric. 2010-04-18.txt:16:20:02: -!- Mathnerd314_ has joined #esoteric. 2010-04-18.txt:16:23:01: -!- Mathnerd314 has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 2010-04-18.txt:16:23:15: -!- Mathnerd314_ is now known as Mathnerd314. 2010-04-19.txt:11:03:00: -!- Mathnerd314_ has joined #esoteric. 2010-04-19.txt:11:06:12: -!- Mathnerd314 has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 2010-04-19.txt:11:06:26: -!- Mathnerd314_ is now known as Mathnerd314. 2010-04-19.txt:18:32:57: -!- Mathnerd314_ has joined #esoteric. 2010-04-19.txt:18:35:37: -!- Mathnerd314 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 2010-04-19.txt:18:35:38: -!- Mathnerd314_ is now known as Mathnerd314. 2010-04-20.txt:00:34:06: -!- Mathnerd314 has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.2.2/20100316074819]). 2010-04-20.txt:02:08:26: -!- Mathnerd314 has joined #esoteric. 2010-04-20.txt:02:09:45: <Gregor> Mathnerd314: 314 is too obvious, you should go with 271 (272?) or 161 (162?), maybe 141. 2010-04-20.txt:02:12:47: <Mathnerd314> Gregor: it's intended to be obvious 2010-04-20.txt:02:12:59: <Gregor> Mathnerd314: Exactly the problem :P 2010-04-20.txt:02:13:19: <oerjan> pikhq: that's not math nerdy 2010-04-21.txt:03:09:13: -!- Mathnerd314 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 2010-04-21.txt:04:04:38: -!- Mathnerd314 has joined #esoteric. 2010-04-22.txt:02:44:29: <Mathnerd314> just encode some other turing-complete language in it 2010-04-22.txt:02:53:33: -!- Mathnerd314 changed the topic of #esoteric to: #esoteric, the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment - #esoteric is not associated with the joke language Perl, please visit www.perl.org - logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D 2010-04-22.txt:02:55:25: <Mathnerd314> oklofok: well, you haven't defined anything special for how the error set behaves 2010-04-22.txt:03:00:07: <Mathnerd314> what happened to []? 2010-04-22.txt:03:00:22: <Mathnerd314> your example is no longer valid... 2010-04-22.txt:03:01:52: <Mathnerd314> now I'm not following... ([ runs with the empty set? 2010-04-22.txt:03:02:07: <oerjan> Mathnerd314: basically the old [] could not be used to get much of any information _out_ of the loop 2010-04-22.txt:03:03:21: <oerjan> Mathnerd314: <> doesn't make S the empty set, it _adds_ the empty set as an element 2010-04-22.txt:03:03:55: <Mathnerd314> then why does <<>> add the set {{}}? 2010-04-22.txt:03:04:37: <Mathnerd314> So, S={}, running <<>> gives S={{{}}}? 2010-04-22.txt:03:04:49: <Mathnerd314> and S={}, running <> gives S={{}} 2010-04-22.txt:03:04:55: <Mathnerd314> ok 2010-04-22.txt:03:06:04: <Mathnerd314> oklofok == oklopol? 2010-04-22.txt:03:08:46: <Mathnerd314> so, in Von Neumann, 0=<>, 1=<0>, 2=<0,1>, 3=<0,1,2>, etc.? 2010-04-22.txt:03:08:52: <oerjan> Mathnerd314: yes 2010-04-22.txt:03:09:22: <Mathnerd314> you might, instead of e, just have 0 1 2 etc. 2010-04-22.txt:03:09:52: <Mathnerd314> or just remove e 2010-04-22.txt:03:10:07: <Mathnerd314> (since by definition it's just <>) 2010-04-22.txt:03:11:09: <Mathnerd314> maybe define error set = <error set> ? 2010-04-22.txt:03:12:18: <Mathnerd314> that's the point of turing-completeness :-) 2010-04-22.txt:03:13:04: <oerjan> Mathnerd314: not particularly, it's a trivial loop 2010-04-22.txt:03:13:28: <Mathnerd314> ok, see you later 2010-04-22.txt:03:13:59: <oerjan> bye Mathnerd314 2010-04-22.txt:03:17:08: <oklofok> oh and bye mathnerd 2010-04-22.txt:03:41:30: <Mathnerd314> oklofok: idea: add variables/functions to the language with = 2010-04-22.txt:03:41:52: <Mathnerd314> like e=<> 2010-04-22.txt:03:42:27: <Mathnerd314> well, it's just textual substitution 2010-04-22.txt:03:44:13: <Mathnerd314> yeah; that's all I'm thinking of 2010-04-22.txt:03:45:05: <Mathnerd314> maybe it's more like program-abbreviation 2010-04-22.txt:03:45:43: <Mathnerd314> but yeah, shouldn't change anything about turing-completeness or whatever 2010-04-22.txt:03:46:50: <Mathnerd314> I'm guessing you should be able to define some of r, a, or u in terms of the others 2010-04-22.txt:03:47:45: <Mathnerd314> with loops 2010-04-22.txt:03:48:01: <Mathnerd314> your language has no meaning for <r>, right? 2010-04-22.txt:03:48:56: <Mathnerd314> that - is weird, then 2010-04-22.txt:03:49:15: <Mathnerd314> no real semantics 2010-04-22.txt:03:49:28: <Mathnerd314> pay no attention to me ;-) 2010-04-22.txt:03:50:38: <Mathnerd314> as an example: tuple=u<>ua-<>u 2010-04-22.txt:03:50:47: <Mathnerd314> you can write <> tuple 2010-04-22.txt:03:51:31: <Mathnerd314> well, they aren't 2010-04-22.txt:03:51:57: <Mathnerd314> because you just run it as <> u<>ua-<>u 2010-04-22.txt:03:52:07: <Mathnerd314> well, they do contain sets 2010-04-22.txt:03:52:20: <Mathnerd314> like foo=<<<<>>>> 2010-04-22.txt:03:52:38: <Mathnerd314> but yeah, it's not a real set, it's a program meaning "add this set to S" 2010-04-22.txt:03:55:17: <Mathnerd314> yeah, it's a definite choice 2010-04-22.txt:03:55:26: <Mathnerd314> heh :-) 2010-04-22.txt:11:04:32: -!- Mathnerd314 has quit (*.net *.split). 2010-04-22.txt:11:06:46: -!- Mathnerd314 has joined #esoteric. 2010-04-22.txt:15:35:05: -!- Mathnerd314 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 2010-04-22.txt:15:48:14: -!- Mathnerd314 has joined #esoteric. 2010-04-22.txt:17:52:59: -!- Mathnerd314 has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 2010-04-22.txt:17:54:35: -!- Mathnerd314 has joined #esoteric. 2010-04-22.txt:21:49:19: -!- Mathnerd314 has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 2010-04-22.txt:21:54:21: -!- Mathnerd314 has joined #esoteric. 2010-04-22.txt:23:13:11: -!- Mathnerd314 has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.2.2/20100316074819]). 2010-04-22.txt:23:38:05: -!- Mathnerd314 has joined #esoteric. 2010-04-23.txt:00:48:24: -!- Mathnerd314 has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 2010-04-23.txt:01:00:20: -!- Mathnerd314 has joined #esoteric. 2010-04-23.txt:01:02:17: <Mathnerd314> Sgeo: can I have the list? ;-) 2010-04-23.txt:01:02:20: <Mathnerd314> no, I just have a few shady friends who like lists of email addresses 2010-04-23.txt:01:03:52: * Sgeo gives Mathnerd314 a list 2010-04-23.txt:01:03:56: <Mathnerd314> heh 2010-04-23.txt:01:04:19: <Mathnerd314> well, I'd need to track my "friends" down first 2010-04-23.txt:01:05:15: <Mathnerd314> something like that 2010-04-23.txt:01:07:48: <Mathnerd314> hmm... an esolang with email addresses :-) 2010-04-23.txt:01:08:37: <Mathnerd314> TLD's are commands, usernames are variables, and domains get ignored 2010-04-23.txt:01:09:45: <Mathnerd314> not certain what actual language to embed, though 2010-04-23.txt:01:10:26: <Mathnerd314> I was thinking Haskell, actualy 2010-04-23.txt:01:10:30: <Mathnerd314> *actually 2010-04-23.txt:01:11:14: <Mathnerd314> well, it's more like a DSL 2010-04-23.txt:01:12:50: <Mathnerd314> I could go small and just do some lambda calculus 2010-04-23.txt:01:16:00: <Mathnerd314> Slightly Pedantic ActiveMailâ„¢ 2010-04-23.txt:01:17:34: <Mathnerd314> Hello.World@print.com 2010-04-23.txt:01:18:31: <Mathnerd314> one+two@add.com 2010-04-23.txt:01:18:47: <Mathnerd314> something like that 2010-04-23.txt:01:19:38: <Mathnerd314> not certain what to do with abuse@ webmaster@ etc. 2010-04-23.txt:01:19:59: <Mathnerd314> and I doubt I'll implement it :-/ 2010-04-23.txt:01:20:39: <Mathnerd314> heh 2010-04-23.txt:01:20:48: <Mathnerd314> maybe it should accept actual emails ;-) 2010-04-23.txt:01:21:07: <Mathnerd314> and look at the "To" field to see what to execute 2010-04-23.txt:01:21:36: <Mathnerd314> so if you put it on a mail server, you have to spam to send it messages :D 2010-04-23.txt:01:23:52: <Mathnerd314> no... too close to actual usefulness 2010-04-23.txt:01:37:18: <Mathnerd314> a bot? 2010-04-23.txt:01:37:20: <Mathnerd314> `help 2010-04-23.txt:01:37:42: <Mathnerd314> wow 2010-04-23.txt:01:37:50: <Mathnerd314> `sudo 2010-04-23.txt:01:38:00: <Mathnerd314> heh 2010-04-23.txt:01:38:27: <Mathnerd314> oh? 2010-04-23.txt:01:38:34: <Mathnerd314> `ls 2010-04-23.txt:01:38:53: <Mathnerd314> `ls / 2010-04-23.txt:01:39:04: <Mathnerd314> `sudo ls / 2010-04-23.txt:01:39:53: <Mathnerd314> `gcc -v 2010-04-23.txt:01:41:46: <Mathnerd314> I don't see really see the point of hacking it 2010-04-23.txt:01:43:40: <Mathnerd314> probably 2010-04-23.txt:01:48:10: <Mathnerd314> `run sudo 2> out.txt 2010-04-23.txt:01:48:50: <Mathnerd314> heh. no wonder it was failing ;-) 2010-04-23.txt:01:49:19: <Mathnerd314> `uname 2010-04-23.txt:01:52:43: <Mathnerd314> that xen looks unpromising :-| 2010-04-23.txt:23:23:59: * Mathnerd314 looks at the Toi wiki page 2010-04-23.txt:23:24:29: <Mathnerd314> oklopod: "useful algorithms"! 2010-04-23.txt:23:27:13: <Mathnerd314> oklopod: my preprocessor looks even more useful now... 2010-04-23.txt:23:31:57: <alise> Mathnerd314 falls under "trying too hard". 2010-04-23.txt:23:32:11: <Mathnerd314> alise: ? 2010-04-23.txt:23:32:27: <Mathnerd314> you mean my nick? :p 2010-04-23.txt:23:33:47: <Mathnerd314> well, it started as a joke :-) 2010-04-23.txt:23:34:26: <Mathnerd314> I needed a nick for a quick registration or two... 2010-04-23.txt:23:44:47: <oklopod> when i saw Mathnerd314 i thought "what a coincidence, pi starts that way too" 2010-04-23.txt:23:45:14: <Mathnerd314> heh 2010-04-23.txt:23:46:02: <oklopod> before that i saw Mathnerd<clutter> 2010-04-24.txt:17:48:33: <Mathnerd314> I wish I could dream about the awesomeness of unhyped unpopular technology :-( 2010-04-24.txt:22:24:01: <Mathnerd314> Sgeo: all that matters is that it's consistent. 2010-04-24.txt:22:24:30: <Mathnerd314> so consider extra ] to have needed [ at the beginning ;-) 2010-04-24.txt:23:32:31: <Mathnerd314> ignore? what's that? 2010-04-24.txt:23:33:53: <ais523> Mathnerd314: you can do, say, "/ignore ais523"; then you wouldn't be able to see anything I said 2010-04-24.txt:23:39:48: <Mathnerd314> hmmm... what would /ignore Mathnerd314 do? 2010-04-24.txt:23:40:19: <AnMaster> Mathnerd314, depending on client, either filter out all the lines you said or give syntax help 2010-04-24.txt:23:41:26: <Mathnerd314> AnMaster: how many channels are you on on freenode? 2010-04-24.txt:23:41:31: <AnMaster> Mathnerd314, why? 2010-04-24.txt:23:41:45: <Mathnerd314> just want to see if I've found them all :p 2010-04-24.txt:23:41:53: <AnMaster> Mathnerd314, some 70+ or so 2010-04-24.txt:23:42:04: <Mathnerd314> ok 2010-04-24.txt:23:42:11: <AnMaster> Mathnerd314, I doubt you found all 2010-04-24.txt:23:42:15: <Mathnerd314> yeah 2010-04-24.txt:23:42:52: <AnMaster> Mathnerd314, how many did you find? /whois on you show three channels. If you like me have that "hide channel list" mode set then that is the subset we are both in 2010-04-24.txt:23:43:19: <Mathnerd314> yeah, just the 3 so far 2010-04-24.txt:23:47:51: * Mathnerd314 finds #crossfire 2010-04-24.txt:23:59:30: <Mathnerd314> zzo38: which client is this? :p 2010-04-24.txt:23:59:37: <alise> Mathnerd314: his own 2010-04-24.txt:23:59:40: <AnMaster> Mathnerd314, his own 2010-04-24.txt:23:59:49: <Mathnerd314> *oh* 2010-04-25.txt:00:00:12: <AnMaster> Mathnerd314, iirc he used to use netcat or such before he wrote it 2010-04-25.txt:00:00:13: <Mathnerd314> is it online somewhere? 2010-04-25.txt:00:04:00: <Mathnerd314> zzo38: this client? gopher://zzo38computer.cjb.net/0fossproj/irc_client/help 2010-04-25.txt:00:04:35: <AnMaster> Mathnerd314, how comes you checked gopher://? 2010-04-25.txt:00:04:58: <Mathnerd314> somehow I find it easier to browse his site with gopher :p 2010-04-25.txt:00:05:06: <AnMaster> Mathnerd314, sure okay 2010-04-25.txt:00:05:31: <Mathnerd314> it's right on the user page: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/User:Zzo38 2010-04-25.txt:00:32:29: <Mathnerd314> Answer: use latex 2010-04-25.txt:00:34:02: <Mathnerd314> though what is Icoruma? 2010-04-25.txt:00:34:38: <zzo38> Mathnerd314: Icoruma is a markup language specifically for typing the rules for role-playing-games. 2010-04-25.txt:00:34:55: <Mathnerd314> is it documented anywhere? 2010-04-25.txt:00:35:30: <Mathnerd314> (Icoruma's syntax) 2010-04-25.txt:00:35:34: <zzo38> Mathnerd314: Not very well. But just wait a minute I will copy the files and documentation I have so far. I can post examples too, if you want. 2010-04-25.txt:00:36:05: <Mathnerd314> ok. see you after lunch. 2010-04-25.txt:00:36:15: <alise> Mathnerd314: bye 2010-04-25.txt:01:04:54: <Mathnerd314> you could do prob(x) = 1/x^2 2010-04-25.txt:01:05:20: <Mathnerd314> (suitably scaled) 2010-04-25.txt:01:07:12: <oerjan> Mathnerd314: well yeah. that doesn't work for [0,1] though. 2010-04-25.txt:01:10:05: <zzo38> Mathnerd314: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/prog/Icoruma.zip this might be what you were looking for 2010-04-25.txt:02:24:14: -!- Mathnerd314 has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 2010-04-25.txt:02:57:00: -!- Mathnerd314 has joined #esoteric. 2010-04-25.txt:03:16:05: <Mathnerd314> oerjan: how do you know? ;-) 2010-04-25.txt:03:17:16: <Mathnerd314> maybe 1267650600228229401496703205376 doesn't ever repeat :-) 2010-04-25.txt:03:19:24: <Mathnerd314> just read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collatz_conjecture 2010-04-25.txt:03:21:18: <alise> Mathnerd314: 1267650600228229401496703205376 < 20 * 2^58 2010-04-25.txt:03:21:27: <Mathnerd314> oops 2010-04-25.txt:03:21:58: <Mathnerd314> wait, 20*2^58? 2010-04-25.txt:03:22:24: <Mathnerd314> that's only 5764607523034234880 2010-04-25.txt:03:23:44: <Mathnerd314> no need; my earlier number was just 2^100 :-) 2010-04-25.txt:03:24:09: <oerjan> Mathnerd314: d'oh 2010-04-25.txt:03:24:48: <Mathnerd314> lambdabot is just so nice for these sorts of computations... 2010-04-25.txt:03:42:22: <Mathnerd314> hmmm... is Pure an esoteric programming language? 2010-04-25.txt:03:43:51: <alise> Mathnerd314: pure the rewrite language? 2010-04-25.txt:03:43:59: <Mathnerd314> yeah 2010-04-25.txt:03:44:08: <alise> Mathnerd314: it is pretty but not really esoteric 2010-04-25.txt:03:44:11: <Mathnerd314> this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pure_%28programming_language%29 2010-04-25.txt:03:46:47: <Mathnerd314> alise: so why is defcalc esoteric but pure not? :p 2010-04-25.txt:03:47:05: <alise> Mathnerd314: for some paradigm P, tarpit(P) = esoteric; fully-developed language(P) = not esoteric 2010-04-25.txt:03:49:33: <Mathnerd314> alise: defcalc is purer than Pure :p 2010-04-25.txt:03:50:16: <Mathnerd314> no, pure has too many built-in special forms 2010-04-25.txt:03:50:30: <alise> Mathnerd314: yeah :P 2010-04-25.txt:04:00:49: -!- Mathnerd314 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 2010-04-25.txt:16:39:57: -!- Mathnerd314 has joined #esoteric. 2010-04-25.txt:18:47:35: <Mathnerd314> got duct tape? :p 2010-04-25.txt:19:56:35: <Mathnerd314> hmm... is the author of defcalc around anywhere? 2010-04-25.txt:19:56:44: <alise> Mathnerd314: the wiki 2010-04-25.txt:19:58:32: <Mathnerd314> alise: is he actually on the wiki? 2010-04-25.txt:19:58:42: <alise> Mathnerd314: yes; after all, he wrote the article. 2010-04-25.txt:20:02:57: <Mathnerd314> alise: like, prove to me that he hasn't dropped off the face of the earth sometime in the past month 2010-04-25.txt:20:03:15: <alise> Mathnerd314: can't. 2010-04-25.txt:20:04:40: <Mathnerd314> which ring? 2010-04-25.txt:20:05:33: <oerjan> otherwise, what Mathnerd314 said 2010-04-25.txt:20:15:22: <Mathnerd314> Sgeo_: you could use a break in the first to make it more consistent 2010-04-25.txt:20:16:16: <Mathnerd314> then it would be a while(true) 2010-04-25.txt:20:18:39: <Mathnerd314> that would make everything way too easy 2010-04-25.txt:20:19:45: <Mathnerd314> pikhq: he'd just do some pattern matching with recursion 2010-04-25.txt:20:20:46: <Mathnerd314> Sgeo_: why can't you just return a bool instead of passing in a reference? 2010-04-25.txt:20:21:04: <Sgeo_> Mathnerd314, because this is what the professor wants, I think 2010-04-25.txt:20:21:20: <Mathnerd314> Sgeo_: what class? 2010-04-25.txt:20:22:00: <Sgeo_> Mathnerd314, data structures 2010-04-25.txt:20:23:03: <Mathnerd314> Sgeo_: you're writing a binary tree? 2010-04-25.txt:20:23:28: <Mathnerd314> Sgeo_: is it required to be in C++? 2010-04-25.txt:20:43:14: <Mathnerd314> Sgeo_: my proposal: http://codepad.org/0BathdOv 2010-04-25.txt:20:43:52: <Mathnerd314> Sgeo_: should be more useful than yours for the rest 2010-04-25.txt:20:43:55: <Sgeo_> Mathnerd314, that looks.. unhelpful 2010-04-25.txt:20:47:20: <Mathnerd314> fax: does Mathematica work? :p 2010-04-25.txt:20:50:19: <Mathnerd314> alise: why is mathematica shit? I can only find 2 results on google for that 2010-04-25.txt:20:51:09: <alise> Mathnerd314: It entices you in with pretty pictures and the like, but -- and ais523, winner of the Wolfram Prize, sufferer under Mathematica can attest to this -- one, it's coded shittily. It's basically unoptimised tree rewriting. The compositions of the C primitives that Wolfram Research expect/want you to do are blazing. Change one tiny little thing? Glacial. 2010-04-25.txt:20:53:06: <alise> Mathnerd314: conclusion: Mathematica sucks. 2010-04-25.txt:20:54:21: <Mathnerd314> big, slow, expensive... ok 2010-04-25.txt:20:55:43: <Mathnerd314> well, expensive -> big, so that makes sense 2010-04-25.txt:20:55:53: <Mathnerd314> and optimization is harder for big things 2010-04-25.txt:20:58:09: * Mathnerd314 waits 2010-04-25.txt:21:08:21: <Mathnerd314> fax: got something huge: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%28t_1+%2B+w*t_2+%2B+w^2*t_3%29^3+%2B+%28t_1+%2B+w^3*t_2+%2B+w*t_3%29^3+with+w+%3D+e^%282+i+pi+%2F+3%29 2010-04-25.txt:21:09:30: <fax> Mathnerd314: well there is a 3 in there which should be a 2 2010-04-25.txt:21:10:04: <Mathnerd314> well, change it and press enter ;-) 2010-04-25.txt:21:10:36: <Mathnerd314> it's real if t1-t3 are real 2010-04-25.txt:21:11:08: <Mathnerd314> same for * 2010-04-25.txt:21:11:30: <Mathnerd314> good enough? 2010-04-25.txt:21:11:51: <Mathnerd314> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%28t_1+%2B+w*t_2+%2B+w^2*t_3%29^3+*+%28t_1+%2B+w^2*t_2+%2B+w*t_3%29^3+with+w+%3D+e^%282+i+pi+%2F+3%29 2010-04-25.txt:21:12:09: <Mathnerd314> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%28t_1+%2B+w*t_2+%2B+w^2*t_3%29^3+%2B+%28t_1+%2B+w^2*t_2+%2B+w*t_3%29^3+with+w+%3D+e^%282+i+pi+%2F+3%29 2010-04-25.txt:21:16:02: <Mathnerd314> fax? 2010-04-25.txt:21:16:49: <Mathnerd314> ok 2010-04-25.txt:21:17:19: <Mathnerd314> something to do with s2, I imagine 2010-04-25.txt:21:23:30: <Mathnerd314> hah 2010-04-25.txt:21:25:16: <Mathnerd314> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=factor+2+x^3+-+3+y+x^2-3+z+x^2-3+y^2+x-3+z^2+x%2B12+y+z+x%2B2+y^3%2B2+z^3-3+y+z^2-3+y^2+z 2010-04-25.txt:21:27:08: <Mathnerd314> so it's (s1-3 t1)(s1-3 t2)(s1 - 3 t3) 2010-04-25.txt:21:28:10: <Mathnerd314> no no, let's do so :- 2010-04-25.txt:21:28:14: <Mathnerd314> * :-) 2010-04-25.txt:21:35:31: <Mathnerd314> hmmm... product is too long to enter into the textbox 2010-04-25.txt:21:35:38: <alise> Mathnerd314: lol 2010-04-25.txt:21:35:42: <fax> Mathnerd314 that keeps happening to me with wolfram :[ 2010-04-25.txt:21:38:54: <Mathnerd314> parser dies when removing all spaces :-/ 2010-04-25.txt:21:40:21: <Mathnerd314> I actually got visited at a summer camp by wolfram :-) 2010-04-25.txt:21:41:13: <Mathnerd314> it was a big room ;-) 2010-04-25.txt:21:41:48: <alise> Mathnerd314: Like a TARDIS! 2010-04-25.txt:21:42:33: <Mathnerd314> ?help 2010-04-25.txt:21:49:41: * Mathnerd314 fires up Sage 2010-04-25.txt:21:49:46: <Mathnerd314> (on a VM) 2010-04-25.txt:21:51:37: <alise> Mathnerd314: sage is kinda crappy 2010-04-25.txt:21:52:01: <Mathnerd314> alise: but it has a polynomial factorer :-) 2010-04-25.txt:21:55:12: <Mathnerd314> fax: (x^2 - x y + y^2 - x z - y z + z^2)^3 2010-04-25.txt:21:56:14: <fax> Mathnerd, http://hpaste.org/fastcgi/hpaste.fcgi/view?id=25045 2010-04-25.txt:21:57:07: <Mathnerd314> fax: to floating-point precision ;-) 2010-04-25.txt:21:57:22: <Mathnerd314> (unless you have CReal) 2010-04-25.txt:21:57:48: <fax> Mathnerd314, one thing which is missing is radical expressions for cube roots of unity.. but that will be another time 2010-04-25.txt:21:58:12: <Mathnerd314> you said you wanted to sleep :-) 2010-04-25.txt:22:00:06: <Mathnerd314> yeah; I like http://gmplib.org/#TRY a lot 2010-04-25.txt:22:03:05: * Mathnerd314 laughs because he's so confused 2010-04-25.txt:22:03:41: <Mathnerd314> bye fax 2010-04-25.txt:22:06:29: * Mathnerd314 counts 3 ops on #esoteric 2010-04-25.txt:22:08:15: <Mathnerd314> yep 2010-04-25.txt:22:09:08: <Mathnerd314> well, you can ask on #freenode 2010-04-25.txt:22:12:56: <Mathnerd314> not turing-complete :p 2010-04-25.txt:22:23:21: <Mathnerd314> entropy divides itself by 0, obviously 2010-04-25.txt:22:25:15: <Mathnerd314> that story has been going around: http://www.multivax.com/last_question.html 2010-04-25.txt:22:26:12: <alise> Mathnerd314: It's been going around forever. 2010-04-25.txt:22:27:15: <Mathnerd314> alise: well, is it true? 2010-04-25.txt:22:27:29: <alise> Mathnerd314: The story? As in literally? 2010-04-25.txt:22:27:43: <Mathnerd314> "could it be true?" 2010-04-25.txt:22:28:28: <Mathnerd314> "do you want it to be true?" 2010-04-25.txt:22:28:37: <alise> Mathnerd314: I doubt there is a sort of metareality into which AC can somehow slip into when the universe ends. 2010-04-25.txt:22:29:47: <Mathnerd314> well, it definitely has a "punchline" at the end 2010-04-25.txt:22:31:23: <Mathnerd314> Phantom_Hoover: external usb drive! 2010-04-25.txt:22:31:33: <Mathnerd314> (or usb thumbdrive) 2010-04-25.txt:22:31:38: <Mathnerd314> (or sd card) 2010-04-25.txt:22:31:47: <Mathnerd314> bye 2010-04-25.txt:22:33:52: <Mathnerd314> oh, yeah 2010-04-25.txt:22:34:00: * Mathnerd314 googles and finds it again [too many lines; stopping]