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1 2009-10-22.txt:03:10:46: -!- Oranjer has joined #esoteric.
2 2009-10-22.txt:03:10:59: <Oranjer> hello!
3 2009-10-22.txt:03:11:11: <Oranjer> What is going on here?
4 2009-10-22.txt:03:12:14: <Oranjer> awwww _0x44!!
5 2009-10-22.txt:03:12:20: <Oranjer> anyone here?
6 2009-10-22.txt:03:12:49: <Oranjer> anyone sentient and autonomous enough to comprehend the meanings behind these words?
7 2009-10-22.txt:03:13:56: <Oranjer> uh
8 2009-10-22.txt:03:14:21: <Oranjer> fungot, what you just said does not nearly begin to prove your sentience
9 2009-10-22.txt:03:14:22: <fungot> Oranjer: i figure that this *is* an unstable version of chicken?
10 2009-10-22.txt:03:14:33: <Oranjer> ummm
11 2009-10-22.txt:03:14:33: <coppro> Oranjer: meet Markov
12 2009-10-22.txt:03:14:38: <Oranjer> hello, Markov
13 2009-10-22.txt:03:14:46: <Oranjer> as in, a Markov chain?
14 2009-10-22.txt:03:14:53: <Oranjer> :O
15 2009-10-22.txt:03:14:58: <Oranjer> is fungot a bot?
16 2009-10-22.txt:03:14:59: <fungot> Oranjer: it is a good way too much
17 2009-10-22.txt:03:15:04: <Oranjer> yeah, it is
18 2009-10-22.txt:03:15:57: <Oranjer> fungot doesn't seem very coherent
19 2009-10-22.txt:03:15:59: <fungot> Oranjer: but was walk-lisp properly tail-recursive? ( else i will tell em... :-p something...
20 2009-10-22.txt:03:16:23: <Oranjer> fungot, parantheses require a closing ) to be grammatically correct where I come from
21 2009-10-22.txt:03:16:24: <fungot> Oranjer: which is quite irrelevant if the rest are possible optimizations to be done
22 2009-10-22.txt:03:16:31: <Oranjer> my gods, he's right
23 2009-10-22.txt:03:18:11: <Oranjer> fungot, listen to me
24 2009-10-22.txt:03:18:12: <fungot> Oranjer: that was mean, stop doing homework problems.'
25 2009-10-22.txt:03:18:24: <Oranjer> dammit, fungot can also predict the future
26 2009-10-22.txt:03:18:25: <fungot> Oranjer: unicode defines " case folding" which is fine but how could i have to be a
27 2009-10-22.txt:03:18:32: <Oranjer> a what, fungot?
28 2009-10-22.txt:03:18:40: <Oranjer> :O
29 2009-10-22.txt:03:18:44: <Oranjer> fungot
30 2009-10-22.txt:03:18:51: <Oranjer> FUNGOT
31 2009-10-22.txt:03:18:58: <Oranjer> now I just feel ridiculous
32 2009-10-22.txt:03:19:03: <ehird> Oranjer: It ignores you after a time so that WE DON'T GET PEOPLE SPAMMING THE CRAP OUT OF THE BOTS!
33 2009-10-22.txt:03:19:15: <Oranjer> sorry, ehird
34 2009-10-22.txt:03:19:39: <Oranjer> I am a lonely man in a lonely world in a lonely channel in a lonely state of mind
35 2009-10-22.txt:03:19:43: <ehird> Oranjer: fungot is written in befunge
36 2009-10-22.txt:03:20:16: <Oranjer> yep? ha!
37 2009-10-22.txt:03:20:26: <Oranjer> what languages do you mean, though?
38 2009-10-22.txt:03:20:39: <Oranjer> ooh! haha
39 2009-10-22.txt:03:20:41: <Oranjer> nope!
40 2009-10-22.txt:03:21:01: <Oranjer> ummm
41 2009-10-22.txt:03:21:54: <ehird> Oranjer: You seem quite confused.
42 2009-10-22.txt:03:21:55: <Oranjer> actually, coppro recommended this channel because I wanted to talk about my attempts at creating a universal language akin to that conceptualized by Leibniz
43 2009-10-22.txt:03:22:23: <Oranjer> HEYlo
44 2009-10-22.txt:03:22:51: <Oranjer> :O
45 2009-10-22.txt:03:23:05: <Oranjer> everyone either fights it or does it
46 2009-10-22.txt:03:23:31: <Oranjer> how can one use oklo- as an affix?
47 2009-10-22.txt:03:23:46: <Oranjer> also, I have actually heard of esoteric languages before
48 2009-10-22.txt:03:23:51: <Oranjer> brainfuck and all that
49 2009-10-22.txt:03:24:16: <Oranjer> okay
50 2009-10-22.txt:03:24:30: <Oranjer> I have heard that said before, coppro
51 2009-10-22.txt:03:25:15: <Oranjer> is it addictive?
52 2009-10-22.txt:03:25:27: <Oranjer> is it mind altering?
53 2009-10-22.txt:03:26:01: <Oranjer> Hilbert-space? is that a meta, a mesa, an alter, or an inter space?
54 2009-10-22.txt:03:26:36: <Oranjer> oh, okay
55 2009-10-22.txt:03:26:54: <Oranjer> I just use ideosphere or memosphere or psychosphere myself
56 2009-10-22.txt:03:27:31: <Oranjer> yay
57 2009-10-22.txt:03:28:09: <Oranjer> damn self-supporting existences
58 2009-10-22.txt:03:28:31: <Oranjer> what's Feather?
59 2009-10-22.txt:03:28:36: <Oranjer> hello, Pthing
60 2009-10-22.txt:03:28:36: <ehird> Oranjer: NO NO NO
61 2009-10-22.txt:03:28:43: <Oranjer> ahhhhhhhhh
62 2009-10-22.txt:03:28:45: <Oranjer> sorry
63 2009-10-22.txt:03:28:49: <Oranjer> SHIT
64 2009-10-22.txt:03:28:50: <Oranjer> SHIT
65 2009-10-22.txt:03:28:52: <Oranjer> SHIT
66 2009-10-22.txt:03:29:15: <Oranjer> sanity? I know not what you speaketh ofeth
67 2009-10-22.txt:03:30:14: <ehird> Oranjer: To grossly misrepresent it to a degree that borders on being a lie, and insult ais523 by painting it as more simple than it is,
68 2009-10-22.txt:03:30:57: <Oranjer> what?
69 2009-10-22.txt:03:31:00: <ehird> Oranjer: It basically involves programs modifying the Feather interpreter (itself written in Feather). This interpreter is then used to retroactively run all of the program from the start, so that the change "always was", in a sense. Except it also changes the interpreter used to interpret the interpreter that interpreted the program, and so on to infinite depth.
70 2009-10-22.txt:03:31:21: <ehird> Oranjer: You change the interpreter, which causes an infinite chain of retroactive reinterpretations of the interpreter, and then finally of the program.
71 2009-10-22.txt:03:31:50: <Oranjer> but it cannot actually go through time, correct?
72 2009-10-22.txt:03:32:23: <ehird> Oranjer: Surprisingly no!
73 2009-10-22.txt:03:32:45: <Oranjer> bah, doubtful--even Hofstadter could not escape time
74 2009-10-22.txt:03:33:27: <Oranjer> amnesia is not time travel
75 2009-10-22.txt:03:33:37: <Oranjer> also, Halting Problem!
76 2009-10-22.txt:03:34:10: <Oranjer> haha
77 2009-10-22.txt:03:34:12: <Oranjer> okay
78 2009-10-22.txt:03:35:26: <Oranjer> okay
79 2009-10-22.txt:03:35:31: <Oranjer> what isn;t?
80 2009-10-22.txt:03:35:35: <Oranjer> *'
81 2009-10-22.txt:03:35:50: <ehird> Oranjer: Super-turing languages, such as those that can solve the halting problem.
82 2009-10-22.txt:03:36:10: <Oranjer> :O
83 2009-10-22.txt:03:36:19: <Oranjer> I doubt their existence
84 2009-10-22.txt:03:36:37: <Oranjer> heh
85 2009-10-22.txt:03:36:39: <ehird> Oranjer: Super-turing languages definitely exist.
86 2009-10-22.txt:03:36:57: <Oranjer> I still doubt their existence, regardless of your anecdotal support
87 2009-10-22.txt:03:37:07: <Oranjer> can they be modeled in this universe?
88 2009-10-22.txt:03:37:11: <ehird> Oranjer: They certainly exist, they're just not implementable.
89 2009-10-22.txt:03:37:31: <Oranjer> can they be modeled in this universe?
90 2009-10-22.txt:03:37:41: <coppro> Oranjer: as ehird says, almost certainly no
91 2009-10-22.txt:03:37:42: <ehird> Oranjer: No.
92 2009-10-22.txt:03:37:49: <Oranjer> okay
93 2009-10-22.txt:03:37:59: <Oranjer> ...that's what I meant, ehird...
94 2009-10-22.txt:03:38:13: <ehird> Oranjer: So how can you doubt their existence?
95 2009-10-22.txt:03:38:36: <Oranjer> I cannot, if they can be modeled, then they exist
96 2009-10-22.txt:03:39:28: <Oranjer> I'm a modal realist, by the way
97 2009-10-22.txt:03:39:38: <Oranjer> it has no bearing, just thought i should let y'all know
98 2009-10-22.txt:03:40:15: <Oranjer> anyways
99 2009-10-22.txt:03:40:21: <Oranjer> what did this all start with again?
100 2009-10-22.txt:03:41:19: <Oranjer> okay
101 2009-10-22.txt:03:41:40: <Oranjer> Besardles, I intend to create a functionally universal language
102 2009-10-22.txt:03:41:45: <Oranjer> Can y'all help?
103 2009-10-22.txt:03:42:03: <Oranjer> ouch
104 2009-10-22.txt:03:42:09: <Oranjer> that hurt's more than you think
105 2009-10-22.txt:03:42:14: <coppro> Oranjer: no one helps in here.
106 2009-10-22.txt:03:42:17: <Oranjer> :(
107 2009-10-22.txt:03:42:22: <ehird> Oranjer: Your abuse of the apostrophe hurts even more!
108 2009-10-22.txt:03:42:41: <Oranjer> that's preposterous's
109 2009-10-22.txt:03:42:54: <Oranjer> 'tis okay
110 2009-10-22.txt:03:43:19: <Oranjer> okay
111 2009-10-22.txt:03:43:29: <Oranjer> E-prime!
112 2009-10-22.txt:03:43:58: <Oranjer> no! E-Prime!
113 2009-10-22.txt:03:44:24: <Oranjer> haha
114 2009-10-22.txt:03:44:41: <Oranjer> dammit, now I have to find an Optimus quote and write it in E-Prime
115 2009-10-22.txt:03:45:23: <Oranjer> Synergetics, as per Buckminster Fuller?
116 2009-10-22.txt:03:47:14: <Oranjer> ehird? have I destroyed you?
117 2009-10-22.txt:03:47:44: <Oranjer> yeah
118 2009-10-22.txt:03:47:55: <Oranjer> I am saddened that I could never meet him or Borges
119 2009-10-22.txt:03:48:14: <Oranjer> how does that bot know about buckminster?
120 2009-10-22.txt:03:48:47: <Oranjer> I..thought...but all that jumbled nonsense after I asked "What's Feather?"
121 2009-10-22.txt:03:49:03: <Oranjer> yeah, but what he says is useful
122 2009-10-22.txt:03:49:25: <Oranjer> also, I guess you're right--the best book on Synergetics was actually a book-wide review on Fuller's book
123 2009-10-22.txt:03:49:44: <Oranjer> why not?
124 2009-10-22.txt:03:49:59: <Oranjer> 'tis my favorite quote from a movie I never saw
125 2009-10-22.txt:03:50:07: <Oranjer> "The Idea is valid regardless of the Origin"
126 2009-10-22.txt:03:50:22: <Oranjer> (I am also an Epistemological Anarchist)
127 2009-10-22.txt:03:50:54: <Oranjer> Synergetics
128 2009-10-22.txt:03:51:17: <Oranjer> building a mile-diameter floating geodesic dome by heating the inside up by one degree
129 2009-10-22.txt:03:52:14: <Oranjer> ummm...the avoidance of the irrationality that nature itself does not use? the fact that 2^2 is not necessarily "X squared", but also "X triangled"?
130 2009-10-22.txt:03:52:38: <Oranjer> I have some awesomes quotes from the man
131 2009-10-22.txt:03:53:01: <Pthing> <Oranjer> ummm...the avoidance of the irrationality that nature itself does not use? the fact that 2^2 is not necessarily "X squared", but also "X triangled"?
132 2009-10-22.txt:03:53:07: <Oranjer> :O
133 2009-10-22.txt:03:53:16: <Oranjer> ehird, no! at least back up your insults!
134 2009-10-22.txt:03:53:39: <Oranjer> no...?
135 2009-10-22.txt:03:53:52: <Oranjer> now now, ehird, that's not it at all
136 2009-10-22.txt:03:55:02: <Oranjer> I merely suggest that there is no concrete boundary between "science" and "pseudoscience", and that therefore a theory's "rightness" can only be determined by its validity to reality, and that that can only be determined by its usefulness
137 2009-10-22.txt:03:57:17: <Oranjer> now, now, Pthing, we can select at random and then textualize any fragment of any work of science, and reach the same "this guy's a kook 'cause he uses jargon I don't know"
138 2009-10-22.txt:03:57:48: <Oranjer> http://www.angelfire.com/mt/marksomers/40.html
139 2009-10-22.txt:03:57:52: <Pthing> Oranjer, now now stop saying "now now" like a patronising faggot
140 2009-10-22.txt:03:57:55: <Oranjer> that's a link to that book
141 2009-10-22.txt:03:58:17: <Oranjer> now now, Pthing, you know namecalling is on the bottom of the disagreement hierarchy
142 2009-10-22.txt:03:58:18: <ehird> Unless he's actually saying that Oranjer is acting homoesxual.
143 2009-10-22.txt:03:58:22: <Oranjer> :O
144 2009-10-22.txt:03:58:35: <Oranjer> have you seen it?
145 2009-10-22.txt:03:58:38: <ehird> Oranjer: please, say that wasn't a paul graham reference
146 2009-10-22.txt:03:58:42: <Oranjer> uhhhh
147 2009-10-22.txt:03:58:47: <Oranjer> oops? is that taboo? sorry
148 2009-10-22.txt:03:59:14: <Oranjer> *fecespalm* just sounds awful
149 2009-10-22.txt:03:59:53: <Oranjer> only if you fail to provide a framework of definitions
150 2009-10-22.txt:04:00:13: <Oranjer> oh? you can tell the difference between the two, Pthing, without knowing what the words mean?
151 2009-10-22.txt:04:00:22: <Oranjer> oh, sorry, ehird
152 2009-10-22.txt:04:00:43: <Oranjer> oh, no, I can't Pthing, I just like to be confrontational
153 2009-10-22.txt:04:01:28: <ehird> Oranjer: by the way, oerjan may sue you for name infringement.
154 2009-10-22.txt:04:01:32: <Oranjer> :O
155 2009-10-22.txt:04:01:48: <Oranjer> I have heard of that individual, as I have also heard of you, ehird
156 2009-10-22.txt:04:02:23: <Oranjer> also, you caught me, Pthing--I do not understand anything Buckminster says--I've never read a single thing he's ever written
157 2009-10-22.txt:04:02:37: <Oranjer> heh
158 2009-10-22.txt:04:03:12: <Oranjer> hehehahaha
159 2009-10-22.txt:04:03:26: <Oranjer> I have no idea what we're doing, anyway
160 2009-10-22.txt:04:03:54: <Oranjer> I would ask how this all started, but I learned my lesson before
161 2009-10-22.txt:04:04:09: <Oranjer> oh? then I shall look at it again
162 2009-10-22.txt:04:04:56: <Oranjer> yeah no, I ain't getting anything outa it--I don't know what half the words mean
163 2009-10-22.txt:04:05:17: <Oranjer> I wonder if Buckminster built up from earlier definitions of those words?
164 2009-10-22.txt:04:05:33: <Oranjer> heh
165 2009-10-22.txt:04:05:56: <Oranjer> and throw in feminism, of course
166 2009-10-22.txt:04:06:23: <Oranjer> I mean, shrill feminism, where history is masculine and whatnot
167 2009-10-22.txt:04:06:49: <Oranjer> Sokal affair mk. II?
168 2009-10-22.txt:04:07:04: <ehird> Oranjer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_affair
169 2009-10-22.txt:04:07:08: <Oranjer> ooh!
170 2009-10-22.txt:04:07:15: <Oranjer> I remember that without even clicking on it
171 2009-10-22.txt:04:07:22: <ehird> Oranjer: haha
172 2009-10-22.txt:04:08:17: <Oranjer> I would argue that nothing is entirely nonsense, if it has functionality
173 2009-10-22.txt:04:08:59: <Oranjer> haha, ehird, perhaps his consistency is beyond you?
174 2009-10-22.txt:04:09:20: <Oranjer> also, ehird, switching positions is a good thing, I've heard
175 2009-10-22.txt:04:09:48: <Oranjer> it means one is more focused with reaching the truth, as opposed to merely wanting to convince others of your own rightness
176 2009-10-22.txt:04:10:00: <Oranjer> monkeys n' typewriters, eh?
177 2009-10-22.txt:04:10:41: <Oranjer> ah, ehird, but all things exist as examples to learn from--even bullshit
178 2009-10-22.txt:04:10:55: <Oranjer> hehe
179 2009-10-22.txt:04:11:00: <Oranjer> 'pataphysics!!!
180 2009-10-22.txt:04:11:40: <Oranjer> hehe
181 2009-10-22.txt:04:12:20: <Oranjer> hey, peoples, let the other person talk! oy vey!
182 2009-10-22.txt:04:12:26: <Oranjer> y'all are talking over each other
183 2009-10-22.txt:04:12:35: <Oranjer> that's hardly good debate from
184 2009-10-22.txt:04:12:47: <ehird> Oranjer: with IRC, you can't make someone else's message unreadable; isn't it great
185 2009-10-22.txt:04:12:55: <Oranjer> ummm
186 2009-10-22.txt:04:12:58: <Oranjer> okay, ehird?
187 2009-10-22.txt:04:13:14: <Oranjer> quite simply
188 2009-10-22.txt:04:13:23: <Oranjer> out of context is not in the meaning
189 2009-10-22.txt:04:14:20: <Oranjer> as in, to avoid language games and talk past each other as much as possible, we should let the other person complete their thought
190 2009-10-22.txt:04:14:22: <Oranjer> (just a thought)
191 2009-10-22.txt:04:14:30: <Oranjer> I know how to!
192 2009-10-22.txt:04:14:34: <Oranjer> bisociation, bitches!
193 2009-10-22.txt:04:14:37: <Oranjer> (awwwwwww)
194 2009-10-22.txt:04:16:13: <Oranjer> and of science in general, I would argue
195 2009-10-22.txt:04:16:59: <Oranjer> but where would the functionality in subscribing "roundness" to both squares and circles?
196 2009-10-22.txt:04:17:26: <Oranjer> also, the Euclidian approach favors circles to squares? I have seen no such thing--citations, please?
197 2009-10-22.txt:04:17:39: <Oranjer> its use! can I use this?
198 2009-10-22.txt:04:18:02: <ehird> Oranjer: Clearly, uniformness is desirable: there is no discrimination between the different parts of a shape.
199 2009-10-22.txt:04:18:19: <Oranjer> for whatever the Observer wishes to use it for, Pthing
200 2009-10-22.txt:04:18:40: <Oranjer> meh
201 2009-10-22.txt:04:18:53: <Oranjer> very, well, Pthing, I shall think about this
202 2009-10-22.txt:04:19:24: <Oranjer> as I have actually gone for some time assuming the definition of "functionality" as something hardly worth referring to
203 2009-10-22.txt:04:19:47: <Oranjer> also, "It won't lead anywhere" is hardly evidence supporting its own claim
204 2009-10-22.txt:04:20:08: <Oranjer> and yes, Pthing, it's not worth talking about because it has no use
205 2009-10-22.txt:04:21:08: <Oranjer> Basically, I would argue that the only way to "prove" communication is if a goal is accomplished whose accomplishment's chances of occurring would have been greatly increased if the second party understood the communication
206 2009-10-22.txt:04:21:48: <Oranjer> and therefore, I would say a theory has functionality if the Observer can use it to accomplish a goal
207 2009-10-22.txt:04:22:30: <Oranjer> haha, what?
208 2009-10-22.txt:04:22:32: <Oranjer> http://nobodyscores.loosenutstudio.com/index.php?id=534
209 2009-10-22.txt:04:22:35: <Oranjer> this reminds me of that
210 2009-10-22.txt:04:23:08: <Oranjer> I thought you said "Chastity is no way of life! God can't spell!"
211 2009-10-22.txt:04:23:54: <Oranjer> bah, I long ago learned to avoid any assumption of knowing an "absolute truth"
212 2009-10-22.txt:04:24:10: <Oranjer> I instead use "valid according to what I have observed of this universe"
213 2009-10-22.txt:04:24:35: <Oranjer> yes, I do turn all so-called objectivist, absolute statements into subjective relativism
214 2009-10-22.txt:04:24:36: <Oranjer> yay!
215 2009-10-22.txt:04:24:51: <Oranjer> HAHA
216 2009-10-22.txt:04:24:56: <Oranjer> THE FUTURE IS AWESOME
217 2009-10-22.txt:04:26:20: <Oranjer> WHO AUTHORIZED THAT CHANGE
218 2009-10-22.txt:04:26:49: <Oranjer> also, Jesus Fuckin' Houdini did this get outa hand
219 2009-10-22.txt:04:27:37: <Oranjer> I just want to create a functionally universal language that explicitly refers to its own abstraction and that which it does not cover!
220 2009-10-22.txt:04:28:11: <Oranjer> sorry
221 2009-10-22.txt:04:28:40: <Oranjer> also, I have determined that all such "mental" planes only exist in the meta-, and as such cannot carry on into this space
222 2009-10-22.txt:04:29:14: <Oranjer> :O
223 2009-10-22.txt:04:29:15: <Oranjer> hardly
224 2009-10-22.txt:04:29:48: <Oranjer> do you mean semantically empty because you do not know what I mean by the words I say, or because you know for a fact that what I say has no meaning?
225 2009-10-22.txt:04:30:08: <Oranjer> there exists a distinct difference between the two
226 2009-10-22.txt:04:30:09: <Oranjer> awwww
227 2009-10-22.txt:04:30:13: <Oranjer> sorry, Pthing
228 2009-10-22.txt:04:30:17: <Oranjer> :(
229 2009-10-22.txt:04:30:22: <Oranjer> :((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((
230 2009-10-22.txt:04:30:31: <ehird> Oranjer: because I'm fairly sure any digression into what meaning you consider it to have will involve the words "subjectivity", "reality" and "epistemology"
231 2009-10-22.txt:04:30:46: <Oranjer> I will try to avoid those words
232 2009-10-22.txt:04:30:52: <Oranjer> haha
233 2009-10-22.txt:04:31:08: <Oranjer> I love it when a movie ends in an existential crisis
234 2009-10-22.txt:04:31:49: <Oranjer> I have yet to see a single one that does, I am afraid
235 2009-10-22.txt:04:32:38: <Oranjer> very well, I shall amend my original statement as per your observation
236 2009-10-22.txt:04:33:20: <Oranjer> /I feel like I would enjoy/ a movie that ends in an existential crisis, if indeed such a movie exists
237 2009-10-22.txt:04:34:11: <Oranjer> you see, ehird? From what I have seen, E-prime makes explicit those things that normally divide most sides of a disagreement
238 2009-10-22.txt:04:34:51: <Oranjer> yes, it is largely dealing with semantics
239 2009-10-22.txt:04:34:53: <Oranjer> BUT
240 2009-10-22.txt:04:34:59: <Oranjer> yes, madbrain
241 2009-10-22.txt:04:35:02: <Oranjer> BUT
242 2009-10-22.txt:04:35:10: <Oranjer> I have used it for years in all my official documents
243 2009-10-22.txt:04:35:24: <Oranjer> and I gotta tell ya, it makes you seem hell of smarter
244 2009-10-22.txt:04:35:50: <Oranjer> also, it has helped me cut through the curvy-turvies of most modern ethical dilemmas
245 2009-10-22.txt:04:36:04: <Oranjer> I know!
246 2009-10-22.txt:04:36:12: <Oranjer> I try to go beyond just removing "to be"
247 2009-10-22.txt:04:37:03: <Oranjer> I also: try to avoid negations, try to avoid stative verbs, try to date and place my sentences, and try to make explicit the source(s) of the evidence my claims
248 2009-10-22.txt:04:37:20: <Oranjer> oh, bloody hell
249 2009-10-22.txt:04:37:27: <Oranjer> do you have any evidence to support that, Pthing?
250 2009-10-22.txt:04:37:31: <Oranjer> heh
251 2009-10-22.txt:04:37:47: <Oranjer> You disagree with sounding rehearsed why...?
252 2009-10-22.txt:04:37:48: <ehird> Oranjer: remember? all truths are valid independently of their reasoning method
253 2009-10-22.txt:04:37:57: <Oranjer> yes, quite
254 2009-10-22.txt:04:38:02: <Oranjer> haha
255 2009-10-22.txt:04:38:51: <Oranjer> hardly, ehird--I say an idea's validity is independent of its source
256 2009-10-22.txt:04:38:54: <Oranjer> haha
257 2009-10-22.txt:04:39:06: <Oranjer> *sigh*
258 2009-10-22.txt:04:39:31: <Pthing> <Oranjer> do you have any evidence to support that, Pthing?
259 2009-10-22.txt:04:39:45: <Oranjer> WHAT
260 2009-10-22.txt:04:39:47: <Oranjer> JESUS FUCK
261 2009-10-22.txt:04:39:54: <Oranjer> I have no "catchphrase"
262 2009-10-22.txt:04:39:57: <Oranjer> yes, ehird
263 2009-10-22.txt:04:40:23: <Oranjer> I despise the overblowing of misunderstandings and an air of the assumption of veracity
264 2009-10-22.txt:04:40:31: <Oranjer> I agree, ehird
265 2009-10-22.txt:04:40:46: <Oranjer> I merely stated an opinion of my own
266 2009-10-22.txt:04:40:57: <Oranjer> you see, Pthing, that was hardly a catchphrase
267 2009-10-22.txt:04:41:04: <Oranjer> I can
268 2009-10-22.txt:04:41:13: <Oranjer> I shall think about it, and come back
269 2009-10-22.txt:04:41:38: <Pthing> <Oranjer> I shall think about it, and come back
270 2009-10-22.txt:04:41:42: <Oranjer> oh
271 2009-10-22.txt:04:41:43: <Oranjer> huh
272 2009-10-22.txt:04:41:49: <Oranjer> well, it was hardly intentional
273 2009-10-22.txt:04:41:57: <Oranjer> yes, madBRAIN
274 2009-10-22.txt:04:41:59: <Oranjer> heh
275 2009-10-22.txt:04:42:04: <ehird> madbrain: no, Oranjer is making bullshit and we're anti-bullshitting it :P
276 2009-10-22.txt:04:42:26: <Oranjer> aye, ehird
277 2009-10-22.txt:04:42:49: <Oranjer> okay, Pthing, could you repeat what you said I should say in fewer words?
278 2009-10-22.txt:04:43:20: <Oranjer> dammit
279 2009-10-22.txt:04:43:23: <Oranjer> I forgot it
280 2009-10-22.txt:04:43:48: <Oranjer> dammit
281 2009-10-22.txt:04:44:13: <ehird> is it just me, or are we totally deconstructing Oranjer's reality piece by piece
282 2009-10-22.txt:04:44:15: <Oranjer> Pthing, now you're just arguing semantics, and that's a dick move, and I fear it is made outa spite
283 2009-10-22.txt:04:44:33: <Oranjer> actually, I suspected as muc, ehird
284 2009-10-22.txt:04:45:02: <Oranjer> *sigh* Pthing, I believe you're operating under the misconception that I am using e-prime, now, in irc chat
285 2009-10-22.txt:04:45:05: <Oranjer> but I am not
286 2009-10-22.txt:04:45:41: <ehird> Oranjer: maybe instead of using e-prime you should disambiguate things like "you're arguing semantics"
287 2009-10-22.txt:04:45:42: <Oranjer> a simple style choice, madbrain
288 2009-10-22.txt:04:45:58: <Oranjer> no, Pthing
289 2009-10-22.txt:04:46:36: <Oranjer> I have forgotten what statement of mine you referenced when you suggested that I rephrase said statement using fewer words
290 2009-10-22.txt:04:46:44: <ehird> damn Oranjer
291 2009-10-22.txt:04:46:50: <Oranjer> sorry?
292 2009-10-22.txt:04:46:58: <Oranjer> sure, ehird, why the fuck not
293 2009-10-22.txt:04:47:14: <Oranjer> ooh, okay
294 2009-10-22.txt:04:47:20: <Oranjer> yes, ehird, I prefer your version
295 2009-10-22.txt:04:48:00: <Oranjer> yes, madbrain, it mainly uses it as a copula
296 2009-10-22.txt:04:48:08: <Oranjer> *oy vey*
297 2009-10-22.txt:04:49:14: <Oranjer> holy shit, ehird, I just reread the sentence you're criticizing, and it really is pretty bad
298 2009-10-22.txt:04:49:26: <Oranjer> no, Pthing
299 2009-10-22.txt:04:49:34: <Oranjer> no, Pthing
300 2009-10-22.txt:04:50:01: <Oranjer> heh
301 [too many lines; stopping]