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3 2003-01-18.txt:00:57:05: <hcf> yeah
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4 2003-01-18.txt:00:57:09: <lament> He does. He's the channel owner.
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5 2003-01-18.txt:00:58:06: <hcf> you're the successor chanserv says
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6 2003-01-18.txt:00:58:26: <hcf> (that's why i asked you)
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7 2003-01-18.txt:00:58:52: <lament> Yes, because he tends to forget the password :)
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8 2003-01-18.txt:00:59:12: <hcf> and isn't here as much as you
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9 2003-01-18.txt:01:01:40: <hcf> http://www.tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/
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10 2003-01-18.txt:01:01:55: <hcf> have fun
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47 2003-01-19.txt:06:08:15: * lament reads the logs
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48 2003-01-19.txt:06:09:05: <lament> yay, nothing at all.
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110 2003-01-21.txt:09:36:48: <dbc1> nick dbc
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112 2003-01-21.txt:09:53:38: <dbc> *
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113 2003-01-21.txt:09:53:38: <dbc> * *
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115 2003-01-21.txt:09:53:38: <dbc> * * * *
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120 2003-01-21.txt:09:54:44: <lament> o_O
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121 2003-01-21.txt:09:55:07: <dbc> Oh well.
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122 2003-01-21.txt:09:55:20: <dbc> Just trying to make things a little more interesting. Think it'll work if I do it more slowly?
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123 2003-01-21.txt:09:55:55: <dbc> Well, may as well try. Please don't interrupt.
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124 2003-01-21.txt:09:56:05: <dbc> *
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129 2003-01-21.txt:09:56:14: <dbc> * * * *
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130 2003-01-21.txt:09:56:14: <dbc> * * * *
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131 2003-01-21.txt:09:56:14: <dbc> * * * * * * * *
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146 2003-01-21.txt:09:56:49: <dbc> * * * * * * * *
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147 2003-01-21.txt:09:56:49: <dbc> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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148 2003-01-21.txt:09:56:57: <dbc> * * * *
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149 2003-01-21.txt:09:56:57: <dbc> * * * * * * * *
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150 2003-01-21.txt:09:56:57: <dbc> * * * * * * * *
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151 2003-01-21.txt:09:56:57: <dbc> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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152 2003-01-21.txt:09:57:05: <dbc> * * * * * * * *
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153 2003-01-21.txt:09:57:05: <dbc> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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154 2003-01-21.txt:09:57:05: <dbc> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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155 2003-01-21.txt:09:57:05: <dbc> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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156 2003-01-21.txt:09:57:13: <dbc>
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157 2003-01-21.txt:09:57:30: <dbc> Okay.
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158 2003-01-21.txt:09:57:50: <fizzie> mm'k.
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159 2003-01-21.txt:09:57:50: <lament> yay.
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160 2003-01-21.txt:09:59:01: <fizzie> printed with a befunge prog or something? I recall seeing a sierpinski-triangle-printer once.
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161 2003-01-21.txt:10:09:59: <dbc> That one is NYYRIKKI's brainfuck version.
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162 2003-01-21.txt:10:12:04: <fizzie> ah, re befunge, just wrote an interpreter with forth. so our unofficial befunge-interpreters-in-obsolete-but-non-esoteric-languages project now has forth, fortran-77, algol-60, plus few less interesting ones. maybe should do cobol next.
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163 2003-01-21.txt:10:12:47: <dbc> I've just translated a much less well-known fractal though. Again please don't interrupt...(and sorry for monopolizing the channel...this should be the last...)
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164 2003-01-21.txt:10:13:12: <lament> fizzie: go to #forth and say it's obsolete, i dare you
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233 2003-01-21.txt:10:15:29: <dbc> Okay.
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234 2003-01-21.txt:10:17:58: <dbc> (Actually that probably needs, at the least, a change of font to look good...)
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235 2003-01-21.txt:10:18:31: <lament> font?
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236 2003-01-21.txt:10:18:37: <lament> you don't know what font i'm using :)
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237 2003-01-21.txt:10:19:14: <dbc> Are you using one as wide as it is high?
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238 2003-01-21.txt:10:19:24: <lament> no.
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239 2003-01-21.txt:10:19:57: <lament> what fractal is that, anyway?
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240 2003-01-21.txt:10:20:02: <dbc> I had suspected not. People don't usually. Still I left the "probably" there as a weasel word.
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241 2003-01-21.txt:10:20:46: <dbc> That's the result of a Fredkin rule cellular automaton (one that sets each cell to the parity of its neighbors)...
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242 2003-01-21.txt:10:21:34: <lament> how's it a fractal?
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243 2003-01-21.txt:10:21:40: <dbc> eight neighbors, starting condition only one cell turned on...this is I think after 32 iterations.
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244 2003-01-21.txt:10:22:19: <lament> hm, there doesn't seem to be a mandelbrot generator in brainfuck
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245 2003-01-21.txt:10:22:22: <lament> i should fix that
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246 2003-01-21.txt:10:23:18: <dbc> Well, it can also be constructed like the koch snowflake etc, by repeatedly replacing a certain pattern of lines with another one...
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247 2003-01-21.txt:10:23:34: <dbc> though the parts come out at different speeds with that method.
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248 2003-01-21.txt:10:32:28: <dbc> Good luck on that project, anyway...
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249 2003-01-21.txt:10:34:04: <lament> it should be easy
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250 2003-01-21.txt:10:34:07: <lament> or maybe not
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251 2003-01-21.txt:10:38:47: <lament> besides, i have a magic brainfuck preprocessor
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252 2003-01-21.txt:10:38:54: <dbc> Oh christ.
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253 2003-01-21.txt:10:40:28: <lament> all i need is a good representation for fractional numbers.
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254 2003-01-21.txt:10:43:58: <lament> hahahahahaa
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255 2003-01-21.txt:10:44:06: <lament> i searched google for 'imaginary numbers'
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256 2003-01-21.txt:10:44:21: <lament> the very first result is some page in the university of toronto
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257 2003-01-21.txt:10:44:27: <lament> 'Do "Imaginary Numbers" Really Exist?'
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258 2003-01-21.txt:10:44:39: <lament> and they give a long answer to that
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259 2003-01-21.txt:10:44:48: <lament> which includes "Imaginary numbers do exist."
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260 2003-01-21.txt:10:45:04: <lament> Jesus christ, it's the leading canadian university
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261 2003-01-21.txt:10:45:12: <lament> And they're saying imaginary numbers exist :\
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262 2003-01-21.txt:10:46:00: <lament> and they're using an extremely broken argument to prove their 'existance'
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263 2003-01-21.txt:11:00:42: <dbc> I'm not sure the question is even well-defined.
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264 2003-01-21.txt:11:01:29: <lament> I would be terrified to find out numbers actually existed.
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265 2003-01-21.txt:11:01:41: <dbc> Why? They don't have teeth.
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266 2003-01-21.txt:11:01:51: <lament> dbc: only because they don't exist!
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267 2003-01-21.txt:11:01:57: <dbc> :)
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268 2003-01-21.txt:11:02:53: <lament> Stupid fractional numbers.
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269 2003-01-21.txt:11:03:29: <dbc> You can keep them as numerator and denominator, no?
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270 2003-01-21.txt:11:03:31: <lament> They don't exist either, but they sure are stupid.
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271 2003-01-21.txt:11:03:50: <lament> I can, I guess.
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272 2003-01-21.txt:11:04:44: <lament> problematic on 8-bit brainfuck machines.
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273 2003-01-21.txt:11:05:15: <dbc> well, you can keep both numerator and denominator as strings of binary or decimal digits, one per cell. Probably faster anyway.
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274 2003-01-21.txt:11:06:17: <lament> I think I just suck at brainfuck.
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275 2003-01-21.txt:11:07:25: <dbc> Oh. That would be unfortunate.
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276 2003-01-21.txt:11:07:45: <dbc> Does brainfuck exist?
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277 2003-01-21.txt:11:09:15: <lament> no, but it seems to have teeth anyway.
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278 2003-01-21.txt:11:13:36: <dbc> *8)#
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279 2003-01-21.txt:11:13:59: <lament> that looks like a Dr. Seuss character.
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280 2003-01-21.txt:11:14:25: <dbc> Self-portrait. There's another on my web page now.
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281 2003-01-21.txt:11:15:10: <lament> You look like a Dr. Seuss character? Cool
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282 2003-01-21.txt:11:15:39: <dbc> (which is the 22nd google response for "brainfuck")
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283 2003-01-21.txt:11:16:28: <dbc> (must depart)
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284 2003-01-21.txt:11:16:31: <dbc> (see you)
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285 2003-01-21.txt:11:18:08: <lament> goodbye.
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286 2003-01-21.txt:11:23:29: <fizzie> according to googlism, 'brainfuck is not sexy', 'brainfuck is the ultimate sexual experience', 'brainfuck is too obviously evil', 'brainfuck is too obviously evil' and 'brainfuck is now'.
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287 2003-01-21.txt:11:23:51: <lament> googlism?
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288 2003-01-21.txt:11:28:10: <fizzie> googlism.com, which has recently acquired annoying popups. you give it a word or two, and it searches google and returns 'foo is bar'-style sentences.
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289 2003-01-21.txt:11:28:40: <fizzie> according to googlism, I personally am "60 mm in diameter and each weighs over 5 oz"
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290 2003-01-21.txt:11:32:34: <lament> Amazing.
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291 2003-01-21.txt:11:32:36: <lament> "lament is the cheat and a dirty bastard"
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292 2003-01-21.txt:11:33:09: <lament> "lament is that we put undergraduates through three years of lecture"
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293 2003-01-21.txt:11:33:37: <lament> "brainfuck is better than"
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294 2003-01-21.txt:11:33:43: <lament> heh.
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295 2003-01-21.txt:11:58:51: <dbc> Have a look at the responses for "bush".
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296 2003-01-21.txt:11:59:09: <lament> hmm, i can imagine
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297 2003-01-21.txt:11:59:28: <dbc> bush is engaged in feverish diplomacy to stop an india
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298 2003-01-21.txt:11:59:40: <dbc> bush is glad
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299 2003-01-21.txt:12:00:11: <lament> I like how the first 4 responses are inflammatory.
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300 2003-01-21.txt:12:00:49: <dbc> bush is the
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301 [too many lines; stopping]
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