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4 2006-12-06.txt:02:25:36: <Rugxulo> quick poll: favorite esoteric language?
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5 2006-12-06.txt:02:27:01: * Rugxulo likes sed ... but if that doesn't count, I guess Brainf*** and then not sure, False perhaps??
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6 2006-12-06.txt:02:28:00: <Rugxulo> Befunge is nifty, but Malbolge (I think) is just ridiculous
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7 2006-12-06.txt:02:28:20: <Rugxulo> and unlambda is way, way over my head
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8 2006-12-06.txt:02:29:03: <Rugxulo> what kind? what's it supposed to do?
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9 2006-12-06.txt:02:33:18: <Rugxulo> o_o
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10 2006-12-06.txt:02:55:54: <lament> Rugxulo: favourite? probably Befunge
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11 2006-12-06.txt:02:57:41: <Rugxulo> they're all cool, but understanding how to write something nifty in it ... that's a whole other ball game :P
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12 2006-12-06.txt:02:58:21: <Rugxulo> there are already a few converters (not necessarily for those but anyways ...)
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13 2006-12-06.txt:03:02:12: <SimonRC> Rugxulo: where?
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14 2006-12-06.txt:03:03:36: <Rugxulo> not for Forth to Befunge, I just meant in general
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15 2006-12-06.txt:03:11:40: <Rugxulo> yup
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16 2006-12-06.txt:03:11:46: <Rugxulo> (surprised?) ;)
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17 2006-12-06.txt:03:12:14: <Rugxulo> http://lvogel.free.fr/sed.htm#unlambda
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18 2006-12-06.txt:03:12:18: <Rugxulo> :D
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19 2006-12-06.txt:03:13:52: <Rugxulo> yup, almost as crazy as sokoban in sed (or factor or bf2c or dc or hanoi or ...)
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20 2006-12-06.txt:03:15:30: <Rugxulo> yes
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21 2006-12-06.txt:03:17:21: <Rugxulo> http://www.pell.portland.or.us/~orc/Code/bsd/bsd-current/sed/TEST/hanoi.sed
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22 2006-12-06.txt:03:17:29: <Rugxulo> (not sure if that's the latest but whatever)
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23 2006-12-06.txt:04:46:12: <Rugxulo> no idea, too bizarre for me
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24 2006-12-06.txt:05:05:31: <Rugxulo> "The language is named after Malebolge, the eighth level of hell in Dante's Inferno, which is reserved for perpetrators of fraud."
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25 2006-12-06.txt:05:05:38: <Rugxulo> better not defraud anyone ;)
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26 2006-12-06.txt:05:08:23: <Rugxulo> Brainf***?
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27 2006-12-06.txt:05:08:26: <Rugxulo> Urban Mueller
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28 2006-12-06.txt:05:08:43: <lament> Rugxulo: come on, spell fuck correctly
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29 2006-12-06.txt:05:08:46: <Rugxulo> inspired by False, I think
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30 2006-12-06.txt:05:09:00: <Rugxulo> dunno, can't remember
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31 2006-12-06.txt:05:09:07: <Rugxulo> not that I know of
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32 2006-12-06.txt:05:09:15: <Rugxulo> (but I think the False guy had lots of other stuff)
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33 2006-12-06.txt:05:14:42: <Rugxulo> really? I think it's quite nice ... I mean, how do you compare languages anyways? they are all different, meant for different things, etc.
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34 2006-12-06.txt:05:15:26: <Rugxulo> http://wouter.fov120.com/index.html
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35 2006-12-06.txt:05:15:30: <Rugxulo> (False creator's web page)
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36 2006-12-06.txt:05:21:41: <Rugxulo> BTW, a cool Brainf*** compiler (outputs .COM) written in NASM is here: http://home.arcor.de/partusch/html_en/bfd.html
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37 2006-12-06.txt:05:26:50: <lament> Rugxulo: you compare languages with a magical language comparator.
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38 2006-12-06.txt:05:27:10: <lament> Rugxulo: i doubt many people here can run .com files
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39 2006-12-06.txt:05:27:18: <Rugxulo> http://dosbox.sf.net
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40 2006-12-06.txt:05:27:25: <Rugxulo> :P
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41 2006-12-06.txt:05:28:05: <Rugxulo> but you can run so many other goodies with DOSBOX :D
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42 2006-12-06.txt:05:28:14: <Rugxulo> and it ain't a huge download either
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45 2006-12-08.txt:22:31:41: <Rugxulo> Brainf*** question: is decrementing 0 supposed to stay at 0 or not?
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46 2006-12-08.txt:22:32:58: <Rugxulo> okay
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47 2006-12-08.txt:22:33:38: <Rugxulo> Gregor, ever written anything in BF?
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48 2006-12-08.txt:22:35:15: * Rugxulo has only written three things, and they ain't too fancy/interesting :P
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49 2006-12-08.txt:22:37:08: <Rugxulo> (1). counts from 9 to 1, (2). counts from 0 to 9, (3). accepts a single byte input and outputs 'five' if it was '5' (simple stuff, obviously, not that impressive)
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50 2006-12-08.txt:22:37:44: <Rugxulo> oops, I meant "counts down and prints the numbers w/ a space b/w 'em" (yeah, not that cool)
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51 2006-12-08.txt:22:39:12: <Rugxulo> ;)
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64 2007-01-07.txt:01:40:59: <Rugxulo> \(2,\} means find 2 or more, right?
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65 2007-01-07.txt:01:41:23: <Rugxulo> (hmmm, that first one is supposed to be curly brace, my font ain't clear enough to tell)
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66 2007-01-07.txt:01:41:39: <Rugxulo> doh
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109 2009-08-29.txt:07:05:59: * Rugxulo has trouble finding good Befunge 93 examples ...
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110 2009-08-29.txt:07:06:11: <Rugxulo> I mean, I found some, but I am surprised there aren't more
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111 2009-08-29.txt:07:09:46: <Rugxulo> am I wrong or doesn't Brainf*** have loads more?
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112 2009-08-29.txt:07:09:55: <Rugxulo> or maybe it just seems that way
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113 2009-08-29.txt:07:10:32: <ehird> Rugxulo: look at befunge-98.
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114 2009-08-29.txt:07:12:06: <Rugxulo> yeah, haven't really looked at Befunge-98 yet, looks odd
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115 2009-08-29.txt:07:12:17: <Rugxulo> and Concurrent Funge (or whatever), lol
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116 2009-08-29.txt:07:12:21: <Rugxulo> seriously!! :-)
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117 2009-08-29.txt:07:13:03: <Rugxulo> why not?
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118 2009-08-29.txt:07:13:15: <Rugxulo> (although I can't anyways, doesn't support my preferred platform)
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119 2009-08-29.txt:07:14:03: <Rugxulo> well, my platform isn't quite 100% POSIX
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120 2009-08-29.txt:07:14:07: <Rugxulo> good but not great
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121 2009-08-29.txt:07:14:12: <ehird> Rugxulo: I'm being sarcastic
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122 2009-08-29.txt:07:14:21: <Rugxulo> heh
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123 2009-08-29.txt:07:14:30: <Rugxulo> in the readme he claims Cygwin *might* work
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124 2009-08-29.txt:07:14:35: <ehird> Rugxulo: It won't.
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125 2009-08-29.txt:07:14:51: <Rugxulo> and no, I actually wanted to use DJGPP, but alas ... ;-)
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126 2009-08-29.txt:07:15:01: <Rugxulo> along with every other GNU nerd ...
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127 2009-08-29.txt:07:15:28: <Rugxulo> God forbid anybody write anything "portable" that is actually, erm, portable!
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128 2009-08-29.txt:07:15:39: <Rugxulo> actually like what? cfunge or DJGPP
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129 2009-08-29.txt:07:15:40: <Rugxulo> ?
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130 2009-08-29.txt:07:15:51: <ehird> Rugxulo: heck, I don't bother supporting the heap of windows shitapis, but I don't make a claim to portability, either
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131 2009-08-29.txt:07:15:54: <Rugxulo> I like DOS :-)
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132 2009-08-29.txt:07:16:29: <Rugxulo> it just feels hollow to brag about portability when all you support is "POSIX" (aka, Linux and whatever wants to be as popular as Linux)
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133 2009-08-29.txt:07:16:54: <Rugxulo> you mean Solaris?
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134 2009-08-29.txt:07:17:17: <Rugxulo> no idea
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135 2009-08-29.txt:07:17:31: <Rugxulo> he should try Minix and see if that works
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136 2009-08-29.txt:07:18:16: <Rugxulo> anyways, it doesn't matter, I'm happy with the default BEF.C (B93) interpreter for now
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137 2009-08-29.txt:07:18:25: <Rugxulo> and BTW, what is "109" ?
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138 2009-08-29.txt:07:18:34: <ehird> Rugxulo: AnMaster's pet revision of befunge-98 that nobody needs.
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139 2009-08-29.txt:07:18:47: <Rugxulo> but why not just call it "09" ? :-)
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140 2009-08-29.txt:07:19:17: <Rugxulo> er, huh?
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141 2009-08-29.txt:07:19:19: <ehird> Rugxulo: It clears up a few edge cases everyone agrees on anyway, and turns fingerprints into URIs instead of compact 4-character names, even though that makes all code so much more uglier, and nobody has EVER needed it, and nobody else cares
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142 2009-08-29.txt:07:19:26: <ehird> Rugxulo: He asked Chris Pressey if he could use the name.
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143 2009-08-29.txt:07:20:00: <Rugxulo> and, what, "Befunge09" is trademarked or something?
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144 2009-08-29.txt:07:20:38: <Rugxulo> that seems silly
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145 2009-08-29.txt:07:20:47: <Rugxulo> even the *nix epoch doesn't start until 1970
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146 2009-08-29.txt:07:22:42: <Rugxulo> heh, looking at his vectorization code :-)
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147 2009-08-29.txt:07:23:04: <Rugxulo> God knows why anybody prefers GNU inline syntax
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148 2009-08-29.txt:07:23:26: <Rugxulo> (and m4 + sh for autoconf), Befunge is *less* obfuscated ;-)
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149 2009-08-29.txt:07:24:27: <Rugxulo> I'm not convinced that GCC's -ftree-vectorize even does anything (despite 4.3.x's improvements) 99% of the time
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150 2009-08-29.txt:07:24:46: <ehird> Rugxulo: His optimised build includes a gcc option that does *unsafe* "math optimisations"
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151 2009-08-29.txt:07:24:47: <Rugxulo> God help us when ymm0 (AVX) becomes available :-(
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152 2009-08-29.txt:07:25:04: <Rugxulo> -ffast-math ?? or something else?
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153 2009-08-29.txt:07:25:15: <Rugxulo> ah
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154 2009-08-29.txt:07:25:29: <Rugxulo> well, I mean, it's good to experiment, even if a lot of it doesn't pan out
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155 2009-08-29.txt:07:27:58: <Rugxulo> seriously, how many people program in Concurrent Befunge??
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156 2009-08-29.txt:07:28:15: <Rugxulo> most people (me included) can't even handle normal concurrent programming :-P
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157 2009-08-29.txt:07:28:57: <Rugxulo> argh, multiline C macros ;-)
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158 2009-08-29.txt:07:29:40: <Rugxulo> sed? stream editor? also considered obfuscated ;-)
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159 2009-08-29.txt:07:30:32: <Rugxulo> BTW, ever heard of bfd? (tiny DOS Brainf*** compiler)
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160 2009-08-29.txt:07:30:50: <Rugxulo> s/compiler/optimizing &/
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161 2009-08-29.txt:07:31:05: <ehird> Rugxulo: Except
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162 2009-08-29.txt:07:31:07: <Rugxulo> written in NASM, tre cool ;-)
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163 2009-08-29.txt:07:32:35: <Rugxulo> "written in Python", previous link was "written in D", and AnMaster's Cfunge is "written in C99 w/ mmap etc." :-/
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164 2009-08-29.txt:07:32:56: <Rugxulo> so it's not as portable as I'd like
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165 2009-08-29.txt:07:33:02: <ehird> Rugxulo: Seriously?
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166 2009-08-29.txt:07:33:02: <Rugxulo> heh
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167 2009-08-29.txt:07:33:14: <Rugxulo> Python 2.5 will be deprecated eventually
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168 2009-08-29.txt:07:33:18: <Rugxulo> 3.1 is already out there
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169 2009-08-29.txt:07:33:27: <Rugxulo> it's written in 2.5
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170 2009-08-29.txt:07:33:35: <Rugxulo> while even Scons (I think) still runs on 1.5.2 (or whatever)
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171 2009-08-29.txt:07:33:35: <ehird> Rugxulo: backwards compatible.
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172 2009-08-29.txt:07:34:38: <Rugxulo> I just wonder why people bother bragging about portability when all they support is Mac OS X 10.5, Windows 2k or newer, Linux 2.6, etc.
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173 2009-08-29.txt:07:35:11: <Rugxulo> you know what I mean, it's annoying how things are deprecated that work fine
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174 2009-08-29.txt:07:35:51: <Rugxulo> it's just my pet peeve
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175 2009-08-29.txt:07:37:31: <Rugxulo> but you don't get it, they want to drop 2k, XP, 32-bit, etc.
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176 2009-08-29.txt:07:38:13: <Rugxulo> no, only 2003 for AMD servers, Intel servers got it in 2004, home users didn't get it (Intel) until 2006
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177 2009-08-29.txt:07:38:37: <Rugxulo> Intel was still selling P4s until then (ugh)
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178 2009-08-29.txt:07:38:49: <Rugxulo> who knows, they still might (though I doubt it)
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179 2009-08-29.txt:07:39:12: <Rugxulo> and you know about the P4, I presume (e.g. not everything "new" is better)
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180 2009-08-29.txt:07:39:59: <Rugxulo> MMX is deprecated, FPU is deprecated, it's all annoying, everybody wants to kill everything that *they* don't use
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181 2009-08-29.txt:07:40:08: <Rugxulo> well, it came installed on the machine
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182 2009-08-29.txt:07:40:21: <Rugxulo> and I'm not exactly super familiar with *nix (e.g. Linux)
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183 2009-08-29.txt:07:40:33: <Rugxulo> and most Linux distros aren't any good
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184 2009-08-29.txt:07:40:38: <Rugxulo> or are very buggy
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185 2009-08-29.txt:07:40:51: <Rugxulo> or outdated, don't work the ways I want, etc.
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186 2009-08-29.txt:07:41:25: <Rugxulo> their upcoming 9.10 scares me ... too many bleeding edge things
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187 2009-08-29.txt:07:41:36: <Rugxulo> potentially will regress a lot in functionality
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188 2009-08-29.txt:07:41:50: <Rugxulo> well, the alphas are buggy ;-)
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189 2009-08-29.txt:07:42:04: <Rugxulo> and they don't always fix everything before release, so ...
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190 2009-08-29.txt:07:42:16: <Rugxulo> yes
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191 2009-08-29.txt:07:42:20: <Rugxulo> briefly
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192 2009-08-29.txt:07:42:44: <Rugxulo> and I can't even install to a 1 GB flash drive because it's so bloated
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193 2009-08-29.txt:07:42:56: <Rugxulo> not saying I'm so super surprised, but damn, very annoying
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194 2009-08-29.txt:07:43:25: <Rugxulo> no, I'm perfectly content with needing 30 GB just to rebuild everything (sarcasm)
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195 2009-08-29.txt:07:43:55: <Rugxulo> I don't think "normal" applies to #esoteric ;-)
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196 2009-08-29.txt:07:44:28: <Rugxulo> uh, no
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197 2009-08-29.txt:07:44:35: <Rugxulo> I don't expect miracles
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198 2009-08-29.txt:07:44:52: <Rugxulo> but when things could easily be fixed and certain people refuse (note I'm not talking about Ubuntu here), then that's annoying
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199 2009-08-29.txt:07:45:16: <Rugxulo> they just don't care, which is more of a problem than anything technical
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200 2009-08-29.txt:07:45:39: <Rugxulo> obviously I would install to HD, problem solved
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201 2009-08-29.txt:07:45:57: <Rugxulo> the main issue isn't that, it's that they allow you to install to USB but it's more or less useless unless you never install anything ever
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202 2009-08-29.txt:07:46:23: <Rugxulo> I'm not just a "surf and e-mail" person, so I can't say that's enough for me
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203 2009-08-29.txt:07:46:57: <Rugxulo> extra features that I didn't ask for, that aren't needed, that should be easily removed (but probably aren't)
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204 2009-08-29.txt:07:47:22: <ehird> [07:39] Rugxulo: […] everybody wants to kill everything that *they* don't use
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205 2009-08-29.txt:07:47:30: <Rugxulo> no (although there are a lot of Ubuntu forks, too many IMHO)
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206 2009-08-29.txt:07:48:56: <Rugxulo> it's just not perfect
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207 2009-08-29.txt:07:49:06: <Rugxulo> and the idea that it does everything right isn't fair
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208 2009-08-29.txt:07:49:26: <Rugxulo> neither Windows nor Ubuntu can cater to everybody, but sometimes they don't even try to do simple things
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209 2009-08-29.txt:07:50:20: <Rugxulo> so, dare I ask, you really expect 100% of home users (and OEMs) to only get 64-bit 4 GB RAM Ubuntu 9.10 computers from now on? I doubt it ...
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210 2009-08-29.txt:07:51:33: <Rugxulo> if it works for you, fine
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211 2009-08-29.txt:07:57:24: <Rugxulo> and BTW, there really should be a Befunge interpreter in Elisp :-)
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212 2009-08-29.txt:07:58:04: <Rugxulo> oops, must've missed that it already exists
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213 2009-08-29.txt:07:59:08: <Rugxulo> why? 'cause it's cool :-)
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214 2009-08-29.txt:07:59:32: * Rugxulo is in Emacs now (ERC)
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215 2009-08-29.txt:08:05:20: <Rugxulo> ;-)
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216 2009-08-29.txt:08:07:19: <ehird> Rugxulo: could i, like, stab you?
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217 2009-08-29.txt:08:08:08: <Rugxulo> you could ... except the knife has been deprecated, use phase pistols (coming soon to a store near you)
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218 2009-08-29.txt:08:12:20: <Rugxulo> http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/BefungeMode
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219 2009-08-29.txt:08:12:36: <Rugxulo> had to comment out all the hscroll stuff, but otherwise it works great! :-)
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220 2009-08-29.txt:08:21:01: <Rugxulo> oh well, thanks for the (mostly) nice chat ;-)
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221 2009-08-29.txt:08:21:25: <Rugxulo> 0:1g:"$"-!#@_,1+" "00p
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222 2009-08-29.txt:08:21:26: <Rugxulo> bye!$
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223 2009-08-29.txt:08:21:32: -!- Rugxulo has parted #esoteric (?).
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224 2009-08-31.txt:09:54:04: -!- Rugxulo has joined #esoteric.
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225 2009-08-31.txt:10:45:07: -!- Rugxulo has parted #esoteric (?).
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226 2009-09-01.txt:06:34:30: -!- Rugxulo has joined #esoteric.
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227 2009-09-01.txt:06:37:25: <Rugxulo> *boo hiss* Bash 3.2 needed for Bashfunge :-P
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228 2009-09-01.txt:06:38:01: <Rugxulo> dude, I know ... what's your point? ;-)
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229 2009-09-01.txt:06:38:08: <Rugxulo> yeah, 2002 is so ancient (sarcasm)
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230 2009-09-01.txt:06:38:44: <Rugxulo> C++ 98? standard ... C99? standard
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231 2009-09-01.txt:06:38:59: <Rugxulo> omg, its teh old !!
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232 2009-09-01.txt:06:39:06: <ehird> Wherein Rugxulo compares the standards of huge languages with releases of a shell program.
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233 2009-09-01.txt:06:39:26: <Rugxulo> a very very complicated shell program
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234 2009-09-01.txt:06:39:53: <Rugxulo> have you looked at its guts? ugh ...
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235 2009-09-01.txt:06:41:02: <Rugxulo> okay, just tried Bashfunge on Cygwin, seems to work okay
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236 2009-09-01.txt:06:41:50: <Rugxulo> hey, anything implementing Befunge 93 is cool :-)
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237 2009-09-01.txt:06:42:02: <Rugxulo> no, AFAIK, RMS never worked on Bash ;-)
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238 2009-09-01.txt:06:42:07: <Rugxulo> but it is not pretty code
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239 2009-09-01.txt:06:42:54: <Rugxulo> I wonder how Bash-centric Bashfunge is (e.g. would it work on other shells)
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240 2009-09-01.txt:06:43:46: <Rugxulo> not in ksh?
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241 2009-09-01.txt:06:44:43: <Rugxulo> and I thought you said "109" was the latest ... then why does Bashfunge say "Befunge08" ??
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242 2009-09-01.txt:06:46:16: <Rugxulo> too slow? even on Core i7? (older is obsolete, upgrade now!!!)
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243 2009-09-01.txt:06:46:50: <Rugxulo> anybody writing in Bash should expect a small performance decrease ;-)
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244 2009-09-01.txt:06:46:54: <Rugxulo> still cool, though
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245 2009-09-01.txt:06:47:09: <ehird> Rugxulo: also, if you do have a core i7, enjoy your non-ECC supporting platform.
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246 2009-09-01.txt:06:47:31: <Rugxulo> ECC es fur wamps, I dun't neid et
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247 2009-09-01.txt:06:47:44: * ehird flips some bits in Rugxulo's memory
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248 2009-09-01.txt:07:02:20: <Rugxulo> hmmm, Language-Befunge seems to hate Cygwin (or my install, at least) :-P
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249 2009-09-01.txt:07:04:51: <Rugxulo> BTW, know of any Brainf*** interpreters in Befunge?
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250 2009-09-01.txt:07:05:51: <Rugxulo> for unlawful carnal knowledge ... hooray for me ;-)
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251 2009-09-01.txt:07:06:11: * Rugxulo sings, "Home grown, down home ..."
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252 2009-09-01.txt:07:08:40: <Rugxulo> found a Befunge98 one, wanted a 93 one :-/
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253 2009-09-01.txt:07:09:08: <ehird> Rugxulo: Befunge93 is not TC.
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254 2009-09-01.txt:07:09:57: <Rugxulo> but one good enough for "Hello world" and similarly simple stuff should be doable
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255 2009-09-01.txt:07:13:39: <AnMaster> Rugxulo, hi
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256 2009-09-01.txt:07:15:42: <Rugxulo> AnMaster, one chat and ehird already hates me ;-)
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257 2009-09-01.txt:07:15:51: <AnMaster> Rugxulo, ah :)
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258 2009-09-01.txt:07:16:03: <ehird> (Rugxulo: Did I ever say that I hate you?)
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259 2009-09-01.txt:07:17:01: <AnMaster> Rugxulo, anyway, about cygwin: I don't have windows handy to test with. But cygwin is your best bet for cfunge if you need to use it on windows
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260 2009-09-01.txt:07:17:26: <Rugxulo> ehird, you said (and I'm almost quoting verbatim), "Eww, you use old software, Emacs, and Windows ... can I stab you?"
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261 2009-09-01.txt:07:17:49: <Rugxulo> yeah, I'm sure you meant that in a loving way ;-)
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262 2009-09-01.txt:07:17:58: <Rugxulo> the lovey-dovey kind of stab, y'know
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263 2009-09-01.txt:07:18:04: <AnMaster> Rugxulo, I remember that basic things like getting environment variables didn't just work as expected under windows :/
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264 2009-09-01.txt:07:18:13: <Rugxulo> Cygwin?
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265 2009-09-01.txt:07:18:21: <AnMaster> Rugxulo, well that is worth a try as I said
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266 2009-09-01.txt:07:19:34: <AnMaster> Rugxulo, if it lacks mmap() you could rewrite the file loading part to use getc() or something. I use mmap() because it is faster (I profiled) and easier as well
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267 2009-09-01.txt:07:21:15: <AnMaster> Rugxulo, but I guess cygwin *does* have mmap() right?
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268 2009-09-01.txt:07:21:56: <Rugxulo> dunno
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269 2009-09-01.txt:07:22:09: <Rugxulo> BTW, found another "Brainf*** in Befunge"
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270 2009-09-01.txt:07:22:37: <AnMaster> Rugxulo, why are you stuck on windows though? Hardware issues?
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271 2009-09-01.txt:07:23:51: <Rugxulo> sorta ... none of the *nixes I tried really worked too well (not that Windows is perfect, though)
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272 2009-09-01.txt:07:24:01: <Rugxulo> no, I like DOS, I tolerate Windows
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273 2009-09-01.txt:07:24:08: <Rugxulo> that's what I said :-)
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274 2009-09-01.txt:07:24:19: <Rugxulo> big difference :-P
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275 2009-09-01.txt:07:24:47: <Rugxulo> (hmmm, that Brainf***-in-Befunge may need "arbitrary bignums in the stack")
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276 2009-09-01.txt:07:25:00: <AnMaster> Rugxulo, so you want no memory protection, a pain to use memory above 640K, ...?
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277 2009-09-01.txt:07:25:51: <Rugxulo> AnMaster, DPMI -> DJGPP = works!
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278 2009-09-01.txt:07:27:21: <AnMaster> Rugxulo, DPMI?
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279 2009-09-01.txt:07:27:44: <Rugxulo> yes
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280 2009-09-01.txt:07:27:53: <AnMaster> Rugxulo, that was a question: "what is that"?
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281 2009-09-01.txt:07:28:04: <Rugxulo> what is DPMI?
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282 2009-09-01.txt:07:28:34: <Rugxulo> yeah, standard stuff, works in OS/2 2+, Win 3+, DOS w/ extender, etc.
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283 2009-09-01.txt:07:28:46: <Rugxulo> CWSDPMI ring a bell?
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284 2009-09-01.txt:07:28:59: <AnMaster> Rugxulo, nop
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285 2009-09-01.txt:07:29:02: <Rugxulo> (Quake 1 used it)
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286 2009-09-01.txt:07:29:54: <Rugxulo> Wolfenstein 3D = 16-bit Borland C
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287 2009-09-01.txt:07:30:01: <Rugxulo> Doom 1 & 2 = 32-bit Watcom C
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288 2009-09-01.txt:07:30:07: <Rugxulo> Quake 1 = 32-bit DJGPP C
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289 2009-09-01.txt:07:30:45: <AnMaster> Rugxulo, not portable between compilers even? ;P
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290 2009-09-01.txt:07:30:45: <Rugxulo> ever heard of Ardi's Executor (Mac emulator)?
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291 2009-09-01.txt:07:30:53: <AnMaster> Rugxulo, nop
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292 2009-09-01.txt:07:30:56: <Rugxulo> DPMI isn't related to compilers, it's an API
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293 2009-09-01.txt:07:31:32: <Rugxulo> http://www.delorie.com/djgpp/doc/dpmi/
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294 2009-09-01.txt:07:32:06: <Rugxulo> http://clio.rice.edu/
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295 2009-09-01.txt:07:33:02: <Rugxulo> but no, typically most (non-DJGPP) apps were never written for DPMI "only", they expected the unofficial, undocumented 32-bit int 21h extensions
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296 2009-09-01.txt:07:33:10: <Rugxulo> (partially supported by some Watcom extenders)
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297 2009-09-01.txt:07:33:23: <Rugxulo> I know I know, if you never were familiar with DOS, it wouldn't matter
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298 2009-09-01.txt:07:33:31: <Rugxulo> just trust me, it works, Quake 1 sold fine ;-)
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299 2009-09-01.txt:07:33:49: <AnMaster> Rugxulo, ok. Tell me when you have a 64-bit extender for it ;P
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300 2009-09-01.txt:07:34:01: <Rugxulo> DOSEMU works on x86-64, that's as close as you can get
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