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18 2008-06-27.txt:18:03:06: <tusho> AAA_AAA ais523 AnMaster atsampson augur bsmntbombdood cctoide cherez clog Corun Deewiant Dewi fizzie ihope Ilari jamesstanley Judofyr lament lifthras1ir mtve oklopol Polar puzzlet RodgerTheGreat sebbu sekhmet Sgeo shachaf SimonRC Slereah_ timotiis tusho
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43 2011-01-04.txt:16:27:32: <shachaf> Relax, people. I deal with esoteric languages all the time.
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44 2011-01-04.txt:16:27:46: <shachaf> Today I'll probably be doing something with C++, for instance.
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45 2011-01-04.txt:16:28:07: <Silvah> shachaf: seconded
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46 2011-01-04.txt:16:28:45: <shachaf> Cale: What, lambdabot doesn't support hot reloading of the startup code? :-)
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47 2011-01-04.txt:16:28:57: <shachaf> elliott: Was that bug fixed?
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48 2011-01-04.txt:16:29:08: <elliott> shachaf: What bug?
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49 2011-01-04.txt:16:29:19: <shachaf> ?where+ bug ?where haskell
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50 2011-01-04.txt:16:29:27: <shachaf> Wait, she's not even in here.
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51 2011-01-04.txt:16:29:40: <elliott> shachaf: I doubt she responds to herself.
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52 2011-01-04.txt:16:29:48: <elliott> shachaf: But, er, if that works then yes, there is slight cause for concern.
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53 2011-01-04.txt:16:29:54: <shachaf> elliott: Yes, you need two lambdabots for that to work.
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54 2011-01-04.txt:16:30:07: <elliott> shachaf: Say hello to EgoBot, HackEgo, and fungot.
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55 2011-01-04.txt:16:30:28: <Cale> shachaf: It was a different change I wanted to make (the flags for running mueval)
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56 2011-01-04.txt:16:30:37: <shachaf> Cale: Ah.
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57 2011-01-04.txt:16:31:36: <shachaf> @unlambda `.xv
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58 2011-01-04.txt:16:31:46: <shachaf> Ah, lambadbot belongs here after all.
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59 2011-01-04.txt:16:31:57: <Vorpal> shachaf, how so?
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60 2011-01-04.txt:16:32:07: <shachaf> Vorpal: Well, @bf and @unlambda.
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61 2011-01-04.txt:16:32:14: <shachaf> Maybe that's not esoteric enough for this channel, though.
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62 2011-01-04.txt:16:32:14: <Vorpal> shachaf, right
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63 2011-01-04.txt:16:32:26: <elliott> shachaf: EgoBot already does those! :-P
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64 2011-01-04.txt:16:32:26: <shachaf> > text "hello"
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65 2011-01-04.txt:16:32:41: <shachaf> Cale: mueval is broken.
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66 2011-01-04.txt:16:32:54: <elliott> shachaf: So is the Brainfuck 8-bit, 16-bit, bignum? Left-infinite or right-infinite tape? What EOF convention? (Any input?)
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67 2011-01-04.txt:16:33:05: <shachaf> @version
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68 2011-01-04.txt:16:33:06: <elliott> shachaf: Do c and d interact properly in the Unlambda?
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69 2011-01-04.txt:16:33:23: <shachaf> Clearly lambdabot should support Lazy K instead of unlambda.
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70 2011-01-04.txt:16:33:30: <elliott> shachaf: I approve.
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71 2011-01-04.txt:16:35:32: <shachaf> elliott: In the main directory.
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72 2011-01-04.txt:16:36:42: <shachaf> It should support http://samuelhughes.com/boof/
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73 2011-01-04.txt:16:37:00: <elliott> shachaf: It should support every language on http://esolangs.org/wiki/Language_list.
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74 2011-01-04.txt:16:37:10: <elliott> shachaf: But especially http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck/w/index.php%3Ftitle%3DTalk:Brainfuck/index.php.
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75 2011-01-04.txt:16:37:10: <shachaf> Phantom_Hoover: What do you mean?
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76 2011-01-04.txt:16:37:16: <Phantom_Hoover> shachaf, note that a fair deal of those languages are not computable.
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77 2011-01-04.txt:16:37:35: <shachaf> Phantom_Hoover: The latter is an alias for the former, as far as I can tell.
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78 2011-01-04.txt:16:37:45: <Phantom_Hoover> shachaf, Sam Hughes of qntm.org.
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79 2011-01-04.txt:16:37:55: <shachaf> Phantom_Hoover: No, it's "the other" Sam Hughes.
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80 2011-01-04.txt:16:38:29: <shachaf> Ha!
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81 2011-01-04.txt:16:38:33: <shachaf> We've caught you.
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82 2011-01-04.txt:16:38:56: <shachaf> Like Java?
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83 2011-01-04.txt:16:38:59: <shachaf> How esoteric.
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84 2011-01-04.txt:16:39:12: <elliott> shachaf: Oh man, that's as funny as that one time someone called Perl line noise!</cranky>
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85 2011-01-04.txt:16:39:16: <Phantom_Hoover> shachaf, we have a well-established boundary between "esoteric" and "boring".
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86 2011-01-04.txt:16:39:18: <zzo38> shachaf: Actually we discuss like a lot of various things in this channel, although esoteric programming is its main topic.
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87 2011-01-04.txt:16:40:34: <elliott> shachaf: Really though, our favourite esoteric language, so theoretical and academic to be almost useless, yet so beautiful in its purity that it's almost a shame that it's impossible to write real programs in it...
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88 2011-01-04.txt:16:40:37: <elliott> shachaf: Haskell.
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89 2011-01-04.txt:16:41:11: <shachaf> elliott: Why? I doubt most of #haskell would seriously disagree with you.
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90 2011-01-04.txt:16:41:27: <shachaf> Maybe dons and the other Galois folks.
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91 2011-01-04.txt:16:41:59: <shachaf> Phantom_Hoover: Well, as far as languages that *try* to be theoretically pure, Haskell probably ranks pretty badly.
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92 2011-01-04.txt:16:42:43: <shachaf> Is there any language that uses FRP in any meaningful way?
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93 2011-01-04.txt:16:42:52: <elliott> shachaf: Conalskell!
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94 2011-01-04.txt:16:43:06: <shachaf> elliott: Is "elliott" /= "elliottt"?
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95 2011-01-04.txt:16:43:17: <elliott> shachaf: Yes indeed.
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96 2011-01-04.txt:16:43:27: <elliott> shachaf: In fact I have talked to elliottt before I believe. Quite confusing.
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97 2011-01-04.txt:16:43:49: <shachaf> Ah, you're ehird. OK.
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98 2011-01-04.txt:16:46:16: <shachaf> This channel seems like such a time-waster.
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99 2011-01-04.txt:16:46:25: * shachaf doesn't play Minecraft, though.
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100 2011-01-04.txt:16:46:35: <shachaf> So presumably when you show your true colors it'll subside.
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101 2011-01-04.txt:16:47:43: <elliott> shachaf: That is, until you start playing.
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102 2011-01-04.txt:16:59:59: <shachaf> 08:59 < Khaos> !pom
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103 2011-01-04.txt:16:59:59: <shachaf> 08:59 < Rodney> The Moon is New. New moon in NetHack for the next 3 days.
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104 2011-01-04.txt:17:00:06: <shachaf> lambdabot needs to get this functionality.
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105 2011-01-04.txt:17:00:38: <elliott> shachaf: psht, soon you will ascend from nethack to playing dwarf fortress. then you'll descend from playing dwarf fortress to lego^Wminecraft.
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106 2011-01-04.txt:17:01:10: <shachaf> elliott: Dwarf Fortress? Minecraft? What about your liberty?
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107 2011-01-04.txt:17:01:27: <elliott> shachaf: NetHack takes away the liberty referred to as "free time"
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108 2011-01-04.txt:17:02:39: <shachaf> elliott: Dwarf Fortress doesn't provide the source code. Minecraft doesn't even provide the binary without payment.
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109 2011-01-04.txt:17:02:55: <elliott> shachaf: And NetHack doesn't provide free time.
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110 2011-01-04.txt:17:03:20: <shachaf> elliott: Look, in this comparison you're not gaining anything by saying that one of them takes away your free time.
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111 2011-01-04.txt:17:03:29: <shachaf> That's considered an invariant.
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112 2011-01-04.txt:17:03:39: <elliott> shachaf: I'm not actually being serious
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113 2011-01-04.txt:17:04:06: * shachaf isn't completely either.
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114 2011-01-04.txt:17:04:20: <shachaf> I had more or less stopped with NetHack until two people independently tried to get me to start again.
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115 2011-01-04.txt:17:04:24: * shachaf sighs.
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119 2011-02-09.txt:04:18:40: <zzo38> For your information, I have received TIME responses from the following: nddylliog,fizzie,Sgeo,joo,sebbu,Zuu,clog,taotree,pingveno,copumpkin,Slereah,Leonidas,ineiros,variable,quintopia,Mannerisky,aloril,dbc,Deewiant,jix,poiuy_qwert,cal153,fizzie,SimonRC,olsner,miekko,mycroftiv,pikhq_,shachaf,tswett,Gregor,Gregor,lifthrasiir
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130 2011-02-19.txt:03:46:29: <zzo38> I received notice from: fizzie,Sgeo,Leonidas,sebbu2,olsner,variable,dbc,yiyus,clog,elliott_,coppro,Mannerisky,comex_,Gregor,ineiros_,pikhq_,aloril,fizzie,yorick,Gregor,oerjan,tswett,shachaf,mycroftiv,Deewiant,quintopia,SimonRC,Zuu,lifthrasiir,pingveno,Zwaarddijk,jix_,copumpkin. I did receive twice from some
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131 2011-02-19.txt:03:56:04: <shachaf> Is zzo38's bug-everybody mode strictly necessary?
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132 2011-02-19.txt:03:56:25: <zzo38> shachaf: I don't know.
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133 2011-02-19.txt:03:56:37: <elliott_> shachaf: apparently.
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134 2011-02-21.txt:02:21:47: <elliott> Prelude> length . words $ "pikhq Zuu augur elliott cheater- Wamanuz5 oerjan Sgeo sebbu Mathnerd314 fungot copumpkin coppro variable HackEgo tswett_ aloril jix pingveno mtve cal153 Gregor Mannerisky sftp lambdabot quintopia clog Slereah jcp rodgort Ilari ineiros_ comex_ SimonRC shachaf Deewiant Zwaarddijk dbc Leonidas fizzie Vorpal olsner yiyus EgoBot myndzi lifthrasiir Ilari_antrcomp mycroftiv"
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145 2011-03-19.txt:23:37:36: <shachaf> Phantom_Hoover: What is she doing in #esoteric? Is this your doing too?
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146 2011-03-19.txt:23:37:44: <shachaf> Haskell does not qualify as esoteric.
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147 2011-03-19.txt:23:51:32: <shachaf> Phantom_Hoover: Take that.
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148 2011-03-19.txt:23:51:40: * shachaf shouldn't abuse lambdabot bugs, actually.
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149 2011-03-19.txt:23:52:04: <Phantom_Hoover> shachaf, I HAVE POWERS BEYOND YOVR IMAGINING
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150 2011-03-20.txt:00:14:36: <shachaf> pikhq_: 17.
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151 2011-03-20.txt:00:14:57: <shachaf> No, 16.
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161 2011-04-08.txt:13:44:19: <Phantom_Hoover> <{aloril, bsmntbombdood, dbc, enki-[quit], iamcal, jcp, jix, lifthrasiir, mtve, mycroftiv, pingveno, rodgort, sebbu, sftp, shachaf, SimonRC, yiyus, Zwaarddijk}> ANYTHING AT ALL
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166 2011-05-26.txt:07:34:17: <shachaf> > fix ((1:).scanl(+)1) -- This?
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167 2011-05-26.txt:07:34:44: <shachaf> Patashu: Fixed-point combinator. fix f = f (fix f)
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168 2011-05-26.txt:07:35:35: <shachaf> oerjan: What ar eyou doing in this channel instead of #haskell? :-)
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189 2011-07-21.txt:00:46:14: <oerjan> copumpkin: shachaf: do any of you have any idea why this differs?
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190 2011-07-21.txt:00:46:42: <shachaf> oerjan: That's kind of weird.
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191 2011-07-21.txt:00:47:16: <shachaf> > error `id` error "foo"
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192 2011-07-21.txt:00:47:38: <shachaf> > id error (error "foo")
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193 2011-07-21.txt:00:47:46: <shachaf> > error (error "foo")
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194 2011-07-21.txt:00:48:02: <shachaf> > (let x = error in x) (error "foo")
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195 2011-07-21.txt:00:48:13: <shachaf> > (let x = error in x `seq` x) (error "foo")
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196 2011-07-21.txt:00:48:19: <shachaf> > (let x = error in id x) (error "foo")
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197 2011-07-21.txt:00:48:26: <shachaf> Exciting.
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198 2011-07-21.txt:00:54:56: <shachaf> So GHC knows that error is strict, but not that id error is?
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199 2011-07-21.txt:00:55:00: <shachaf> Makes sense, I guess.
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200 2011-07-21.txt:00:55:30: <shachaf> > id error (error "foo")
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201 2011-07-21.txt:00:55:33: <shachaf> > error (error "foo")
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208 2011-08-07.txt:07:36:34: <shachaf> It depends on what "break" means, I suppose.
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209 2011-08-07.txt:07:36:57: <shachaf> I doubt treating something as a Word8 would segfault.
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210 2011-08-08.txt:19:42:00: <shachaf> Rank-2 types ruin everything.
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211 2011-08-08.txt:19:42:18: <shachaf> > runST (return True)
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212 2011-08-08.txt:19:42:20: <shachaf> > id runST (return True)
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213 2011-08-08.txt:19:42:26: <shachaf> > let x = id runST in x (return True)
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214 2011-08-08.txt:19:43:35: <shachaf> $ is also not equivalent to parentheses on the type level.
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215 2011-08-08.txt:19:43:41: <shachaf> Fortunately you can say type a :$ b = a b
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216 2011-08-08.txt:19:44:02: <shachaf> Battle-hardened types that have been promoted.
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217 2011-08-08.txt:19:46:23: <shachaf> Up to RANK OMEGA.
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218 2011-08-08.txt:19:46:32: * shachaf needs sleep.
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219 2011-08-13.txt:02:18:07: <shachaf> "hash"-haskell?
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220 2011-08-13.txt:02:18:16: <elliott> shachaf: Shut up my number keys are broken.
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221 2011-08-13.txt:02:18:18: <shachaf> oerjan: Sure you can.
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222 2011-08-13.txt:02:18:30: <elliott> shachaf: How?
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223 2011-08-13.txt:02:18:36: <shachaf> Well, OK, you can't.
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224 2011-08-13.txt:02:18:38: <oerjan> shachaf: elliott has a long-standing keyboard problem
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225 2011-08-13.txt:02:18:56: <shachaf> > mаp 1 2
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226 2011-08-13.txt:02:19:08: <Lymee> shachaf, how was that done? =p
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227 2011-08-13.txt:02:19:15: <shachaf> You can't @let type classes or data types in lambdabot, sadly. :-(
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228 2011-08-13.txt:02:19:32: * shachaf never thought of pronouncing it as "hash". Weird.
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229 2011-08-13.txt:02:20:12: <shachaf> Er, actually, now that I think of it, I say "sulamit haskell".
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230 2011-08-13.txt:02:20:22: <oerjan> shachaf: wat
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231 2011-08-13.txt:02:20:39: <shachaf> I guess "hash" kind of makes sense. Though it has too many meanings.
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232 2011-08-13.txt:02:21:06: <elliott> shachaf will take his secrets to the grave.
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233 2011-08-13.txt:02:21:13: <elliott> shachaf: I say octothorpe when I'm not being informal
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234 2011-08-13.txt:02:21:18: <shachaf> elliott: Which secrets?
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235 2011-08-13.txt:02:21:39: <elliott> shachaf: How to do a ?let like that
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236 2011-08-13.txt:02:21:39: <shachaf> > mаp (\x -> x) -> [1,2,3,4]
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237 2011-08-13.txt:02:21:47: <shachaf> elliott: Like what?
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238 2011-08-13.txt:02:21:51: <shachaf> > mаp (\x -> x) [1,2,3,4]
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239 2011-08-13.txt:02:21:54: <elliott> shachaf: Bypassing the ambiguity
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240 2011-08-13.txt:02:22:05: <elliott> <shachaf> Well, OK, you can't.
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241 2011-08-13.txt:02:22:17: <shachaf> elliott: Like, whoa, man, you're, like, the same elliott as the one in #haskell.
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242 2011-08-13.txt:02:22:20: <Lymee> <shachaf> > mаp 1 2
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243 2011-08-13.txt:02:22:24: <shachaf> Same number of 't's.
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244 2011-08-13.txt:02:22:26: <elliott> shachaf: Whoaaaaaaaaaaa.
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245 2011-08-13.txt:02:22:31: <elliott> shachaf: I'm not that elliottt guy though.
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246 2011-08-13.txt:02:22:32: <shachaf> Lymee: By typing it in.
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247 2011-08-13.txt:02:22:45: <shachaf> Maybe you're conal elliottt?
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248 2011-08-13.txt:02:23:09: <shachaf> elliott: Oh, he came to #haskell once and saw elliottt and was very happy.
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249 2011-08-13.txt:02:23:17: <elliott> shachaf: Who, elliottcable?
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250 2011-08-13.txt:02:23:23: <shachaf> elliott: I think so.
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251 2011-08-13.txt:02:24:07: <shachaf> > (еlliott, elliott)
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252 2011-08-13.txt:02:24:47: <oerjan> shachaf: i think i've got a hunch there :P
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253 2011-08-13.txt:02:25:01: <shachaf> oerjan spoils everything.
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254 2011-08-13.txt:02:25:19: <oerjan> Lymee: i just cut and pasted shachaf's line. i think it has invisible chars
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255 2011-08-13.txt:02:25:35: <shachaf> oerjan: NOpe.
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256 2011-08-13.txt:02:27:00: <shachaf> Lymee: You really abuse it, don't you. @define, @undefine, @undefine foo, and so on all reset the entire L.hs file.
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257 2011-08-13.txt:02:27:14: <elliott> shachaf: Not that there's much other choice
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258 2011-08-13.txt:02:27:42: <shachaf> There is no invisible character!
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259 2011-08-15.txt:02:31:17: <shachaf> No, it's a non-exhaustive patterns problem.
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260 2011-08-15.txt:02:31:57: <shachaf> ?
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261 2011-08-15.txt:02:32:00: * shachaf can't parse that sentence.
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262 2011-08-15.txt:02:32:19: <shachaf> Nor that one.
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263 2011-08-15.txt:02:32:36: <shachaf> If you define a function like "foo (Just x) = x", and then you call it with Nothing, that's a non-exhaustive pattern.
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264 2011-08-15.txt:02:32:43: <shachaf> You don't define what foo of Nothing is.
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265 2011-08-15.txt:02:32:55: <shachaf> Oh.
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266 2011-08-15.txt:02:33:13: <shachaf> I thought this was a Haskell program.
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267 2011-08-15.txt:02:33:39: <shachaf> So the interpreter is broken.
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268 2011-08-15.txt:02:34:42: <shachaf> Non-exhaustive patterns means that the Haskell program doesn't take some possibility into account.
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269 2011-08-15.txt:02:35:46: <shachaf> Like http://www.samuelhughes.com/boof/index.html ?
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270 2011-08-15.txt:07:30:50: <shachaf> @ahoy Taneb
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271 2011-08-15.txt:23:50:10: <shachaf> More like >>=, no?
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272 2011-08-15.txt:23:50:20: <shachaf> Well, it depends.
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273 2011-08-15.txt:23:51:54: <shachaf> http://okmij.org/ftp/Computation/monadic-shell.html
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274 2011-08-19.txt:01:36:36: <shachaf> augur: lament used to be in #haskell, at least.
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275 2011-08-19.txt:07:15:40: <shachaf> NihilistDandy: Why are you asking?
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276 2011-08-19.txt:07:15:47: <NihilistDandy> shachaf: itidus20: I'm sort of familiar with it, but I'd like something more rigorous
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277 2011-08-19.txt:07:15:57: <itidus20> shachaf: oh your question asking method is so elegant
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281 2011-08-20.txt:07:18:38: <shachaf> evincar: You don't need to call it "monads" unless you generalize it like Haskell does.
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282 2011-08-20.txt:07:18:49: <evincar> shachaf: Why wouldn't I generalise it?
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283 2011-08-20.txt:07:19:26: <shachaf> Well, sure.
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284 2011-08-20.txt:12:46:57: <shachaf> An old Visual Basic program ported to Haskell, I believe.
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285 2011-08-20.txt:12:47:22: <shachaf> Just some regexp matches with a bit of randomness, or something of the sort.
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286 2011-08-21.txt:14:04:15: <shachaf> elliott: Don't worry, you'll die by the time you're 32.
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287 2011-08-21.txt:14:04:33: <elliott> shachaf: OK, who stored my age in an unsigned five-bit integer?
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288 2011-08-21.txt:14:04:50: <shachaf> It was actually a signed six-bit integer.
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289 2011-08-21.txt:14:05:22: <shachaf> No, he'll die.
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290 2011-08-21.txt:14:06:10: <shachaf> You deserve it.
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291 2011-08-21.txt:14:06:21: <shachaf> I think there was a song that said that.
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292 2011-08-21.txt:14:06:38: <elliott> shachaf: Thanks for the CTCPs
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293 2011-08-22.txt:05:45:17: <CakeProphet> aloril atehwa_ augur augur chickenzilla clog GreaseMonkey iamcal ineiros jcp jcp|other jix lifthrasiir mycroftiv myndzi rodgort sebbu shachaf SimonRC variable twice11 Wamanuz yiyus yorick Zwaarddijk: sup
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294 2011-08-22.txt:05:56:46: <shachaf> @slap CakeProphet
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295 2011-08-23.txt:01:24:15: <shachaf> No.
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296 2011-08-23.txt:01:26:19: <shachaf> getArgs also might not have "--interactive".
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297 2011-08-23.txt:01:26:27: <shachaf> Or it might not be in the first position.
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298 2011-08-23.txt:01:26:41: <shachaf> It might give you an empty list, in which case your program will crash. :-)
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299 2011-08-23.txt:01:28:21: <elliott_> shachaf: Out of curiosity, when would --interact not be in getArgs using GHCi?
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300 2011-08-23.txt:01:28:54: <shachaf> elliott_: Well, when I run ghci and type getArgs, it prints out [].
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