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4 2007-05-14.txt:16:49:00: <ehird`> i honestly think my language may be worse than malbolge
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5 2007-05-14.txt:16:49:05: <ehird`> ((len*(index>1?index*index:50))+chr) % 50 <-- this is just insane
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6 2007-05-14.txt:16:49:43: <ehird`> oh yes, and the fact that the middle opcode is evaluated first, then the last, then the rest
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7 2007-05-14.txt:16:51:36: <ehird`> that's just the interpreter source coe
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8 2007-05-14.txt:16:51:38: <ehird`> *code
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9 2007-05-14.txt:16:51:38: <ehird`> well
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10 2007-05-14.txt:16:51:41: <ehird`> the decryption part
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11 2007-05-14.txt:16:52:09: <ehird`> what?
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12 2007-05-14.txt:16:52:33: <ehird`> that code is valid in many languages
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13 2007-05-14.txt:16:53:06: <ehird`> (((len * (index > 1 ? index * index : 50)) + chr) % 50
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14 2007-05-14.txt:16:53:10: <ehird`> not that hard to decipher
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15 2007-05-14.txt:16:54:05: <ehird`> .... ternary operator....
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16 2007-05-14.txt:16:54:20: <ehird`> it's (if index > 1 then index * index else 50)
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17 2007-05-14.txt:16:58:52: * ehird` pasted http://pastie.textmate.org/61475
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18 2007-05-14.txt:16:58:58: <ehird`> this program should print "a" and a newline
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19 2007-05-14.txt:17:42:56: <ehird`> okay, my interpreter is broken
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20 2007-05-14.txt:17:43:14: <ehird`> "Invalid decoded opcode 54 at 1 (SyntaxError)", yet my smash-bricks-at-decoder-to-get-program program says its ok
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21 2007-05-14.txt:18:19:36: * ehird` pasted http://pastie.textmate.org/61490
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22 2007-05-14.txt:18:19:42: <ehird`> even I can't figure out how that works
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23 2007-05-14.txt:18:19:46: <ehird`> hmm
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24 2007-05-14.txt:18:19:48: <ehird`> pastie messed it up
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25 2007-05-14.txt:18:19:53: <ehird`> it's bigger than that in actuality
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26 2007-05-14.txt:21:40:24: <ehird`> "this language should be called eyefuck if it is supposed to actually look like that."
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27 2007-05-14.txt:21:40:26: <ehird`> close, close..
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28 2007-05-14.txt:23:45:20: <ehird`> you don't have to link to a lyrics page
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29 2007-05-14.txt:23:45:35: * ehird` would recognize those anywhere
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30 2007-05-14.txt:23:47:17: <ehird`> with your powers combined, i am captain ge...ahem
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31 2007-05-14.txt:23:48:59: <ehird`> To be honest, a lot of people holding the "asperger's" badge do it because they "dont fit in lol" and are self-diagnosed
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32 2007-05-14.txt:23:49:41: <ehird`> i'm aware, having being diagnosed myself years ago :)
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33 2007-05-14.txt:23:51:24: <SimonRC> ehird`: more constructively, could you recommend other bands to me? I feel I need to actually acuire some music.
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34 2007-05-14.txt:23:52:04: <ehird`> *cough* bittorr COUGH ugh COUGH aaa COUGH COUGH CHOKE
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35 2007-05-14.txt:23:54:10: <ehird`> people would have you believe that prison is school
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36 2007-05-14.txt:23:54:12: <ehird`> :P
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37 2007-05-14.txt:23:55:33: <ehird`> fellow geeks? in a public school?
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38 2007-05-14.txt:23:55:42: <ehird`> you must be kidding me
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39 2007-05-14.txt:23:55:46: <SimonRC> ehird`: that means something different here...
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40 2007-05-14.txt:23:56:32: <ehird`> i know what a grammar school is, SimonRC ;)
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41 2007-05-14.txt:23:57:17: * ehird` is in .uk
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42 2007-05-14.txt:23:57:29: * ehird` mixes .uk-isms and .us-isms after a while by mistake
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43 2007-05-15.txt:00:15:16: <ehird`> what's a good way to determine if a language is turing complete or not?
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44 2007-05-15.txt:00:15:35: <ehird`> heh
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45 2007-05-15.txt:00:15:39: <ehird`> what fun that will be.
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46 2007-05-15.txt:00:15:49: <lament> ehird`: it's not hard
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47 2007-05-15.txt:00:15:58: <lament> ehird`: there's several popular options for this
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48 2007-05-15.txt:00:16:21: <ehird`> brainfuck probably the easiest.
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49 2007-05-15.txt:00:32:18: <ehird`> j lccccccccc.n!
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50 2007-05-15.txt:00:32:18: <ehird`> k^Newline.
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51 2007-05-15.txt:00:32:18: <ehird`> l:10-?
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52 2007-05-15.txt:00:32:19: <ehird`> ccccccccccccccc.n!
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53 2007-05-15.txt:00:32:19: <ehird`> ^Not a newline.
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54 2007-05-15.txt:00:32:19: <ehird`> mwaha
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55 2007-05-15.txt:00:32:21: <ehird`> er. flood.
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58 2007-05-15.txt:19:05:45: <ehird`> http://esoteric.sange.fi/brainfuck/bf-source/prog/oobrain.b oh my go
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59 2007-05-15.txt:19:05:47: <ehird`> it's beautiful
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60 2007-05-15.txt:19:10:05: <ehird`> someone make BF++
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61 2007-05-15.txt:19:12:31: * ehird` wonders what INTERCAL++ would be called
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62 2007-05-15.txt:19:12:47: * ehird` honestly has no idea how to add one to a number and assign the var to it in intercal
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63 2007-05-15.txt:19:15:41: <SimonRC> ehird`: !!
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64 2007-05-15.txt:19:16:10: <ehird`> SimonRC: !! at what?
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65 2007-05-15.txt:19:16:12: <ehird`> OOP in brainfuck?
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66 2007-05-15.txt:19:18:12: <ehird`> no, i didn't
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67 2007-05-15.txt:19:18:16: <ehird`> it was written in 2003
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68 2007-05-15.txt:19:20:01: <ehird`> mod_bf OOP framework? ;;)
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69 2007-05-15.txt:19:22:53: <ehird`> you fit libraries to your code, frameworks fit your code to them
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70 2007-05-15.txt:19:27:00: * ehird` pasted http://pastie.textmate.org/61810
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71 2007-05-15.txt:19:27:05: <ehird`> worse than befunge, methinks..
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72 2007-05-15.txt:19:28:22: <ehird`> "2d"
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73 2007-05-15.txt:19:28:23: <ehird`> mine
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74 2007-05-15.txt:19:28:32: <ehird`> a horridly morphed 2d language
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75 2007-05-15.txt:19:29:10: <ehird`> yes
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76 2007-05-15.txt:19:29:12: <ehird`> vi(1)
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77 2007-05-15.txt:19:29:51: <ehird`> close
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78 2007-05-15.txt:19:30:11: <ehird`> : is "get a character of input and push its ascii value to the stack"
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79 2007-05-15.txt:19:30:20: <ehird`> but the rest is correct
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80 2007-05-15.txt:19:30:31: <ehird`> yes
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81 2007-05-15.txt:19:30:42: <ehird`> the numbers
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82 2007-05-15.txt:19:30:49: <ehird`> it basically walks forward until it stops finding digits.
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83 2007-05-15.txt:19:30:57: <ehird`> - pops two numbers off the stack, subtracts them, and pushes the result
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84 2007-05-15.txt:19:31:19: <ehird`> nope
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85 2007-05-15.txt:19:31:32: <ehird`> < swaps two items on the stack
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86 2007-05-15.txt:19:31:39: <ehird`> [1,2,3] < results in [1,3,2]
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87 2007-05-15.txt:19:31:54: <ehird`> why i do that is revealed when you figure out what c does
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88 2007-05-15.txt:19:32:10: <ehird`> it /does/, but that's not used here
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89 2007-05-15.txt:19:32:45: <ehird`> a character. c pushes the character below itself as an ascii value
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90 2007-05-15.txt:19:32:58: <ehird`> which i suspect could be used in quines if going downwards.
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91 2007-05-15.txt:19:33:16: <ehird`> you see, . the printer, since everything on the stack is just a number, can't tell where the string starts
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92 2007-05-15.txt:19:33:22: <ehird`> so i just make it stop when it finds ^ ;)
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93 2007-05-15.txt:19:33:30: <ehird`> (^, $ - regexp start/end of line)
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94 2007-05-15.txt:19:34:16: <ehird`> heh
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95 2007-05-15.txt:19:34:41: <ehird`> it's not wtf-inspiring though :)
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96 2007-05-15.txt:19:34:55: <ehird`> i'm considering making the implementation of ? replace itself with j or h depending on the condition, then going back one
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97 2007-05-15.txt:19:35:07: <ehird`> and it does, but i've realised it shouldn't
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98 2007-05-15.txt:19:35:11: <ehird`> as then i can't print the character
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99 2007-05-15.txt:19:35:16: <ehird`> thanks, i was trying to fix that bug!
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100 2007-05-15.txt:19:36:11: <ehird`> tradition? this is an esolang, is it not? :)
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101 2007-05-15.txt:19:37:27: <ehird`> awkward languages are the only fun esoteric ones ;)
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102 2007-05-15.txt:19:39:28: <ehird`> oh fine
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103 2007-05-15.txt:19:42:34: * ehird` pasted http://pastie.textmate.org/61817
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104 2007-05-15.txt:19:42:39: <ehird`> hmmm/.. it's hanging after two lines
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105 2007-05-15.txt:19:42:46: <ehird`> god knows why it even DIES on two lines
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106 2007-05-15.txt:20:00:42: <SimonRC> ehird`: I think you are mixing up your l with your 1
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107 2007-05-15.txt:20:06:21: <ehird`> SimonRC: no
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108 2007-05-15.txt:20:06:31: <ehird`> ? moves up or down, it doesn't change the direction of execution
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109 2007-05-15.txt:20:07:19: <ehird`> i add 10 because i had subtracted it previously
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110 2007-05-15.txt:20:07:20: <ehird`> oh wait
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111 2007-05-15.txt:20:07:22: <ehird`> that's on another copy
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112 2007-05-15.txt:20:14:02: <ehird`> (C++)-- has no seq points, it is undefined.
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113 2007-05-15.txt:20:14:16: <ehird`> Possible solution: Seperate the expression into multiple statements.
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114 2007-05-15.txt:20:14:26: <ehird`> (at c.c, line 4)
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115 2007-05-15.txt:20:14:41: * ehird` reads too many compiler errors
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116 2007-05-15.txt:20:18:02: <ehird`> it is wrong
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117 2007-05-15.txt:20:18:12: <ehird`> x++ is an lvalue
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118 2007-05-15.txt:20:18:17: <ehird`> e.g. *(ptr++) = 2
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119 2007-05-15.txt:20:18:34: <ehird`> int C = 0; (C++)--; is undefined, but it probably results in C being 0
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120 2007-05-15.txt:20:26:04: <ehird`> coatgrinder: undefined.
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121 2007-05-15.txt:20:26:11: <ehird`> you just understand it as your compiler does.
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122 2007-05-15.txt:20:26:32: <ehird`> int i = 15; i = ++i + ++i should be 17 if your compiler is worth its salt
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123 2007-05-15.txt:20:26:45: <ehird`> it translates to int i = 15; increment i; increment i; i = i + i
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124 2007-05-15.txt:20:26:52: <ehird`> otherwise, it uses a tmp variable and that's slower.
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125 2007-05-15.txt:20:29:24: <ehird`> correct
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126 2007-05-15.txt:20:30:49: <ehird`> having it explode would be correct
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127 2007-05-15.txt:20:30:54: <ehird`> so would having it cry
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128 2007-05-15.txt:20:35:48: <ehird`> hmm
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129 2007-05-15.txt:20:35:55: <ehird`> a language entirely made out of the letter Q
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130 2007-05-15.txt:20:36:50: <ehird`> QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ
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131 2007-05-15.txt:20:40:08: <ehird`> i'm making it basically http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/BF_instruction_minimalization but depending on a magical counter :P
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132 2007-05-15.txt:20:47:50: <ehird`> you got cut off
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133 2007-05-15.txt:20:48:14: <ehird`> if the standard says it's unspecified, the compiler writers SHOULDN'T bother messing around with making it work on stupid CPUs
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134 2007-05-15.txt:20:50:19: * ehird` pasted http://pastie.textmate.org/61834
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135 2007-05-15.txt:20:50:23: <ehird`> somebody want to prove that's as turing-complete as BF? :)
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136 2007-05-15.txt:20:50:36: <ehird`> hmmm
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137 2007-05-15.txt:20:50:41: * ehird` pasted http://pastie.textmate.org/61835
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138 2007-05-15.txt:20:50:43: <ehird`> with that change it should be
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139 2007-05-15.txt:20:51:39: <ehird`> - can be + 127 times, and > can be ->, and + can be +<
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146 2007-05-16.txt:18:18:57: <ehird`> hoo
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158 2007-05-24.txt:22:14:24: <ehird`> Is there a word for when you're designing an esolang but it turns out it's actually quite pleasant to program in and hey, this is actually a usable, real language?
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159 2007-05-24.txt:22:14:28: <ehird`> if not there should be
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160 2007-05-24.txt:22:19:42: <ehird`> guess not
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161 2007-05-24.txt:22:30:51: <ehird`> in the context of "yay i actually wrote a useful language, oh time to reimplement all my software in it" or just "yay"
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162 2007-05-24.txt:22:34:10: <lament> ehird`: 'fuck'
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163 2007-05-24.txt:22:35:13: <ehird`> lament: in the context of "fuck now i don't get esoteric hell" or just "fuck"
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164 2007-05-24.txt:22:39:39: <ehird`> factorial = dup 1 > [dup 1 - factorial *] [pop 1] if ;; <-- well, when i said "non-esoteric", I didn't mean "easy"...
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165 2007-05-24.txt:22:39:53: <ehird`> hmm, make that just 1 -
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166 2007-05-24.txt:22:40:04: <SimonRC> ehird`: language?
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167 2007-05-24.txt:22:40:20: <ehird`> SimonRC: TheLanguageThatWasMeantToBeEsotericButIsNowActuallyQuiteUseful
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168 2007-05-24.txt:22:40:28: <ehird`> stack-based, functional.
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169 2007-05-24.txt:22:40:42: <ehird`> it does
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170 2007-05-24.txt:22:40:49: <ehird`> not a downside :)
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171 2007-05-24.txt:22:41:41: <ehird`> factor is cool looking
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172 2007-05-24.txt:22:41:47: <ehird`> haven't actually used it tho
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173 2007-05-24.txt:22:43:16: <ehird`> hmmm... i don't think TheLa... will have that in its implementation - well, the self-hosted one i guess :)
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174 2007-05-24.txt:22:43:38: * ehird` is putting off implementing it because of the syntax
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175 2007-05-24.txt:22:43:45: <ehird`> i guess the syntax isn't too bad though
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176 2007-05-24.txt:22:44:04: <ehird`> "str", [lambda], X = Y ;;
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177 2007-05-24.txt:22:44:06: <ehird`> and that's about it
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178 2007-05-25.txt:00:15:26: <ehird`> hmm
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179 2007-05-25.txt:00:15:31: <ehird`> i don't even have to implement scoping
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180 2007-05-25.txt:00:15:47: <ehird`> no nested "operator functions" (non-[lambda]-pushed-to-stack functions that is)
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181 2007-05-25.txt:00:15:51: <ehird`> just a hash table
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182 2007-05-25.txt:00:17:09: <ehird`> no - just a stack-based, functional language
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183 2007-05-25.txt:00:17:13: <ehird`> so - evil
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184 2007-05-25.txt:00:19:03: <ehird`> factorial = dup 1 > [dup 1 - factorial *] [pop 1] if ;;
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185 2007-05-25.txt:00:19:03: <ehird`> :)
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186 2007-05-25.txt:00:19:22: <SimonRC> ehird`: no
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187 2007-05-25.txt:00:19:29: <ehird`> SimonRC: no what
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188 2007-05-25.txt:00:19:52: <ehird`> ihope: monads? pah! real functional programmers MANUALLY APPLY IO
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189 2007-05-25.txt:00:20:09: <ehird`> OK, so they get their runtime system to do it for them, but...
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190 2007-05-25.txt:00:20:21: <ehird`> SimonRC: well - [lambda] forms aren't implicitly called
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191 2007-05-25.txt:00:20:32: <SimonRC> ehird`: yes, that's my point
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192 2007-05-25.txt:00:20:37: <ehird`> 2 [dup] --> 2 [dup], instead of 2 [dup] -> 2 2
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193 2007-05-25.txt:00:20:42: <ehird`> "call" evaluates them
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194 2007-05-25.txt:00:20:45: <ehird`> 2 [dup] call --> 2 2
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195 2007-05-25.txt:00:21:05: <ehird`> hrm
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196 2007-05-25.txt:00:21:10: <ehird`> OK.. but I like the ;;
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197 2007-05-25.txt:00:21:22: <ehird`> it's ocamlish :P
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198 2007-05-25.txt:00:21:32: <ehird`> lament: joy uses .
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199 2007-05-25.txt:00:21:33: <ehird`> plus it's less ugly with multiple lines:
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200 2007-05-25.txt:00:21:41: * ehird` pasted http://pastie.textmate.org/64416
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201 2007-05-25.txt:00:23:54: <ehird`> scopes? this is a stack-based language ;)
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202 2007-05-25.txt:00:24:03: <ehird`> the only scope i need is the global scope to store self-evaluating functions
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203 2007-05-25.txt:00:25:43: <ehird`> hehe
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204 2007-05-25.txt:00:26:00: <ehird`> i wonder if i'll be able to handle reverse-polishness to actually write some programs in the language
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205 2007-05-25.txt:00:26:17: <ehird`> ... probably. i can do some forth.
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206 2007-05-25.txt:00:46:16: <ehird`> well that parser wasn't hard
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207 2007-05-25.txt:00:46:23: <ehird`> just have to make it convert X = Y ;; to a hashtable {X => Y}
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208 2007-05-25.txt:00:56:41: <ehird`> .... which is the hardest part
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209 2007-05-25.txt:01:00:54: <ehird`> it works
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210 2007-05-25.txt:01:00:56: <ehird`> yippee
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211 2007-05-25.txt:01:30:05: -!- ehird` has quit ().
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212 2007-05-25.txt:22:44:33: -!- ehird` has joined #esoteric.
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213 2007-05-25.txt:23:10:56: * ehird` wonders why 99bob is doing 99->-98
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214 2007-05-25.txt:23:15:34: <ehird`> => = dup dup > == or ;;
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215 2007-05-25.txt:23:23:26: * ehird` pasted http://pastie.textmate.org/64693
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216 2007-05-25.txt:23:23:28: <ehird`> that's the 99bob program
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217 2007-05-25.txt:23:23:34: * ehird` pasted http://pastie.textmate.org/64694
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218 2007-05-25.txt:23:23:49: <ehird`> this is what => etc are defined as
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219 2007-05-25.txt:23:23:52: <ehird`> the rest is pretty obvious
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220 2007-05-25.txt:23:23:54: <ehird`> it currently tries to pop from an empty stack in swap
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221 2007-05-25.txt:23:23:57: <ehird`> L/
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222 2007-05-25.txt:23:23:58: <ehird`> *:/
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223 2007-05-25.txt:23:26:49: <ehird`> err
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224 2007-05-25.txt:23:26:54: <ehird`> it works like this:
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225 2007-05-25.txt:23:27:00: <ehird`> true false
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226 2007-05-25.txt:23:27:03: <ehird`> false true (swapped)
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227 2007-05-25.txt:23:27:13: <ehird`> (false is...false, so run pop) true
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228 2007-05-25.txt:23:27:17: <ehird`> or::::
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229 2007-05-25.txt:23:27:19: <ehird`> false true
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230 2007-05-25.txt:23:27:22: <ehird`> true false (swapped)
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231 2007-05-25.txt:23:27:27: <ehird`> (true is true, so swap) false true
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232 2007-05-25.txt:23:27:29: <ehird`> (and pop) true
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233 2007-05-25.txt:23:27:35: <ehird`> [] is a lambda
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234 2007-05-25.txt:23:27:57: <ehird`> if pops off IFFALSE, IFTRUE, and COND... you can guess the rest
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235 2007-05-25.txt:23:28:10: <ehird`> oklopol: > pops twice and replaces it with true or false
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236 2007-05-25.txt:23:28:14: <ehird`> == does the same
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237 2007-05-25.txt:23:28:26: <ehird`> so you might have true false (>, not ==) or false true (==, not >)
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238 2007-05-25.txt:23:28:38: <ehird`> =>, of course, is eq-or-gt
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239 2007-05-25.txt:23:30:02: <ehird`> well, visualize what or does with the stacks [true, false], [false, true], [false, false] and [true, true] in your head, using these stack signatures:
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240 2007-05-25.txt:23:30:09: <ehird`> swap = a b -> b a
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241 2007-05-25.txt:23:30:14: <ehird`> pop = a b -> a
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242 2007-05-25.txt:23:30:30: <ehird`> if = c t f = result of calling t if c, else result of calling f
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243 2007-05-25.txt:23:30:45: <ehird`> well - in the core implementation
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244 2007-05-25.txt:23:30:49: <ehird`> its not hard to figure out what they do
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245 2007-05-25.txt:23:30:59: <ehird`> or = swap [swap pop] [pop] if ;;
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246 2007-05-25.txt:23:31:02: <ehird`> i pasted that
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247 2007-05-25.txt:23:31:07: <ehird`> yes
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248 2007-05-25.txt:23:31:15: <ehird`> it isn't self-hosting ;;)
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249 2007-05-25.txt:23:34:29: <ehird`> C T F if => is C true? if so, call T, otherwise call F
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250 2007-05-25.txt:23:34:32: <ehird`> but you know that now :)
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251 2007-05-25.txt:23:35:24: <ehird`> look how about i just put the impl online :)
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252 2007-05-25.txt:23:35:28: <ehird`> it's ruby though and very ugly
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253 2007-05-25.txt:23:35:49: <ehird`> and plenty of the examples i wrote when tired and are hopelessly wrong or just speculation like writing a daemon in it
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254 2007-05-25.txt:23:36:11: <oklopol> <ehird`> => = dup dup > == or ;; i mean this one
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255 2007-05-25.txt:23:36:17: <ehird`> right, what about it
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256 2007-05-25.txt:23:36:34: <ehird`> it's a definition
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257 2007-05-25.txt:23:36:37: <ehird`> FUNC = CODE ;;
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258 2007-05-25.txt:23:36:39: <ehird`> that defines =>
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259 2007-05-25.txt:23:37:14: <ehird`> ah i think it should be
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260 2007-05-25.txt:23:37:15: <ehird`> => = dup dup > swap swap == or ;;
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261 2007-05-25.txt:23:37:31: <ehird`> 1 1 -> 1 1 1 1 -> 1 1 false -> 1 false 1 -> false 1 1 -> false true -> true
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262 2007-05-25.txt:23:37:59: <ehird`> oops.
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263 2007-05-25.txt:23:38:12: <ehird`> i'm trying to get a b c d -> a b d c -> a d b c :)
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264 2007-05-25.txt:23:38:26: <ehird`> oklopol: which is why i do ==, then or
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265 2007-05-25.txt:23:38:36: <ehird`> so if == is true and > is false, true is returned
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266 2007-05-25.txt:23:39:05: <ehird`> hmm that dup is wrong yes
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267 2007-05-25.txt:23:39:11: <ehird`> i'm meaning 1 2 -> 1 2 1 2
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268 2007-05-25.txt:23:39:13: <ehird`> not 1 2 -> 1 2 2
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269 2007-05-25.txt:23:39:17: * ehird` fixes
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270 2007-05-25.txt:23:39:24: <ehird`> * 1 2 2 2
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271 2007-05-25.txt:23:40:23: <ehird`> hrm... i don't think a b c rot = b c a is selfhostedable...better ruby it
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272 2007-05-25.txt:23:41:53: <ehird`> programmable in the language itself, not its implementation :)
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273 2007-05-25.txt:23:42:04: <ehird`> <= = swap dup rot dup rot rot < rot swap == or ;;
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274 2007-05-25.txt:23:42:39: <ehird`> ugly :)
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275 2007-05-25.txt:23:43:00: <ehird`> anyway, what i mean about selfhostedable is - can i define rot using only pop/swap/etc
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276 2007-05-25.txt:23:43:05: <ehird`> or is it a "core" thing
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277 2007-05-25.txt:23:45:01: <ehird`> == bottles of beer on the wall,
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278 2007-05-25.txt:23:45:01: <ehird`> == bottles of beer.
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279 2007-05-25.txt:23:45:02: <ehird`> Take one down, pass it around,
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280 2007-05-25.txt:23:45:02: <ehird`> ./core.rb:61:in `-': String can't be coerced into Fixnum (TypeError)
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281 2007-05-25.txt:23:45:07: <ehird`> i think i need to debug
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282 2007-05-25.txt:23:46:37: <ehird`> me too actually
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283 2007-05-25.txt:23:46:40: <ehird`> it's catchier
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284 2007-05-25.txt:23:47:13: <ehird`> "Equals equals bottles of beer on the wall, equals equals bottles of beer. Take one down, pass it around, core dot rb 61 in minus string can't be coerced into fixnum typeerror."
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285 2007-05-25.txt:23:48:34: <ehird`> equals is assign :P
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286 2007-05-25.txt:23:49:40: <ehird`> meh
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287 2007-05-25.txt:23:56:27: <ehird`> stack = ["swap", "dup", "rot", "dup", "rot", "rot", ">", "rot", "swap", "==", "==", "=="]
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288 2007-05-25.txt:23:56:27: <ehird`> wtf.
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289 2007-05-25.txt:23:56:33: <ehird`> that's all the function calls
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290 2007-05-25.txt:23:56:36: <ehird`> why isn't it...blarh
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291 2007-05-26.txt:00:18:11: <ehird`> i have one of those
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292 2007-05-26.txt:00:18:54: <ehird`> like 'X = X and X` = X?
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293 2007-05-26.txt:00:19:03: <ehird`> ah
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294 2007-05-26.txt:00:19:04: <ehird`> so
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295 2007-05-26.txt:00:19:15: <ehird`> 'X = X, X` = .... X is a function?
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296 2007-05-26.txt:00:19:49: <ehird`> ' == value
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297 2007-05-26.txt:00:19:57: <ehird`> lisp heritage must be respected ;)
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298 2007-05-26.txt:00:19:59: <ehird`> need some parens too!
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299 2007-05-26.txt:00:20:06: <ehird`> (cadr '(1 2 3))
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300 2007-05-26.txt:00:20:41: <ehird`> hey - that's a good idea, an anti-golf contest
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301 [too many lines; stopping]
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