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1 2003-02-06.txt:19:50:13: <exarkun> I'm a big fan of Funge 98
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2 2003-02-07.txt:04:59:40: <SamB> X is much bigger then Y
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3 2003-02-12.txt:01:44:55: <calamari> no big deal, but it complicates the kernel
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4 2003-02-13.txt:01:38:48: <calamari> it wouldnt necessarily have to be weird just to be weird.. it could possibly be useful, but haved a big learning curve... i've not used vi, but i've heard it is that way
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5 2003-04-20.txt:01:44:27: <Taaus> gilbertdeb: Oh, just small things... Messing around with various mathematical calculations with matrices and whatnot... I gave up trying to use it for anything big.
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6 2003-04-20.txt:01:56:27: <lament> And then it turns out to be the next big thing
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7 2003-07-09.txt:03:25:08: <lament> Because of the arbitrarily big memory requirement for turing-completeness.
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8 2003-07-13.txt:19:48:34: <lament> still, it's a big, active BBS
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9 2003-07-25.txt:08:24:05: <lament> that's a big message.
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10 2003-07-26.txt:07:09:30: <lament> wow, today's log is big.
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11 2003-07-28.txt:02:17:08: <andreou> ), been listed in Who's Who in both Industry and Science, ran for public office, served in office in various large organizations, been in two movies, and never made any big money.
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12 2003-07-28.txt:02:17:31: <Taaus> lol... Never made any big money.
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13 2003-07-29.txt:18:43:24: <Taaus> I think it'll turn into a big ball of mud... If anything at all.
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14 2003-07-30.txt:00:04:52: <Taaus> The Pragmatic Programmers are big proponents of Ruby, yeah.
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15 2003-07-30.txt:20:50:08: <Taaus> What do you propose I use instead? Bigloo?
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16 2003-07-30.txt:20:50:34: <lament> maybe even bigloo!
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17 2003-08-19.txt:12:40:54: <dbc> At least four big smashed garlic cloves.
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18 2004-02-08.txt:20:50:37: <Toreun> I wanted it to have the functionality of funge 98, without such a big mess
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19 2004-02-08.txt:21:21:03: <Toreun> fizzie: ... but you could just add whitespace on the sides of the source to make it bigger
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20 2004-02-10.txt:23:38:48: <fizzie> they're definitely not trying to hide the web-development-aspect. also from the faq, "The biggest advantage of PHP over Perl is that PHP was designed for scripting for the web where Perl was designed to do a lot more and can because of this get very complicated."
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21 2004-02-13.txt:01:13:07: <calamari_> if I'm gonna be paying the big bucks, you'd better believe it
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22 2004-02-20.txt:22:41:53: <mooz-> ...how big is the pdf?
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23 2004-04-30.txt:08:30:16: <heatsink> The picture is a big help to understanding that, I didn't know how it worked before
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24 2004-05-04.txt:00:52:04: <Toreun> if you don't know PHP, it's no big deal... but I probably should learn perl anyway
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25 2004-05-27.txt:15:33:13: <Keymaker> that's big plus (lack of bugs)
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26 2004-05-27.txt:15:47:19: <fizzie> although I guess I could have made a big enough mess with c++ templates.
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27 2004-05-27.txt:15:57:09: <Keymaker> it'd take me a lot time to read those funge specifications, but what is the biggest difference between befunge 93 and 98, or are they even same language?
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28 2004-05-27.txt:16:14:27: <fizzie> but you can put anything from the stack to the playfield without having to worry about it being too big.
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29 2004-05-27.txt:21:59:43: <fizzie> my biggest z80 program is the md5 algo and OTP-key-calculator.
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30 2004-05-27.txt:22:09:24: <fizzie> and a 5-din connector is relatively big.
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31 2004-05-27.txt:22:31:47: <mooz-> * Tech Support: "Sir, the 486 is bigger than the 286."
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32 2004-05-27.txt:23:37:07: <fizzie> I have a sed script which does that for relatively big numbers.
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33 2004-05-28.txt:20:51:07: <calamari_> also, I'm not sure how big a stack I'll need
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34 2004-05-28.txt:20:53:27: <calamari_> toreun: the program just grows with > to the right.. it's up to the bf interp/comp to handle big memory
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35 2004-05-28.txt:20:57:03: <calamari_> that's okay.. not a big deal
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36 2004-06-04.txt:16:49:20: <fizzie> "if you want more digits, write a bigger program."
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37 2004-06-10.txt:20:17:51: <lament> it would also require a fucking big computer
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38 2004-06-10.txt:20:23:23: <lament> but yeah, it's still a big number.
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39 2004-06-20.txt:17:42:40: <calamari_> ran into a small hiccup with call(gosub) & return.. it needs a place to return to (the next instruction). I've thought of 3 schemes to handle it. 1) start temp labels at -1 (problem: big number when 32-bit) 2) labels 2x, temp labels 2x+1 (problem: on-gosub,goto get messed up), 3) have user specify and create return label (problem: annoying)
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40 2004-06-20.txt:18:15:36: <fizzie> sounds that any non-trivial C programs will compile to rather big blobs of brainfuck.
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41 2004-06-20.txt:18:18:32: <fizzie> nnope. but you can write a brainf*ck->befunge translator, probably some funge98 interpreters handle pretty big source files since the spec defines an infinite playfield.
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42 2004-06-21.txt:17:40:25: <calamari_> this morning I made a new ansi c bfi.. can handle big programs and allocates more memory as needed
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43 2004-06-23.txt:20:14:18: <fizzie> how big is your partially-working bfasm when brainf*cked?
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44 2004-06-26.txt:19:27:43: <bbls> that results in big trouble
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45 2004-06-26.txt:20:23:07: <lament> bbls: Somehow I don't think precision is your biggest problem
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46 2004-06-26.txt:20:23:23: <bbls> lament what you think then that's my biggest problem?
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47 2004-06-28.txt:02:47:11: <WildHalcyon_> Yeah, Ive been working on my language for a few months (3.... I think), because I'm having a big issue deciding how to call the functions
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48 2004-06-29.txt:17:59:06: <calamari_> lament: not true.. you can do "add" loops to set big pointers
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49 2004-07-02.txt:06:33:49: <WildHalcyon> The problem is, I want the language to support arbitrarily large fields, and I can't have an arbitrary goto command on something that can be larger than the biggest integer the language supports
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50 2004-07-02.txt:06:38:15: <heatsink> Can a single datum (a cell, the stack contents, etc.) be arbitrarily big? Because then you could pack the lambda function into a single value, and then unpack it in-place... In fact, I've been wanting to do an esolang sort of like that
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51 2004-07-17.txt:22:45:57: <fizzie> mine is differently coloured, and perhaps a bit bigger. (or maybe not. hard to estimate scale in that pic.)
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52 2004-07-17.txt:23:22:26: <fizzie> there are some rather ambiguous choices when determining which is the "top" side of a thrown koosh ball.
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53 2004-09-23.txt:19:50:02: <ZeroOne> fizzie: "radix of n-dimensional space, sort of. unambiguous coordinates etc."
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54 2004-12-29.txt:19:44:16: <cpressey> i was meaning to, but it's a big project and i never found the time.
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55 2005-03-05.txt:13:35:29: <Keymaker> anyways: this new version seems to do the job with 2000000000+ executed instructions _less_ than the old version (so you can guess this is a big improvement in the program)
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56 2005-03-06.txt:08:37:23: <cpressey> my 2c... biggest problem right now is that EsoAPI and Easel both assume the esolang has the concept of a "current cell"... not all of them do
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57 2005-03-14.txt:19:15:01: <calamari> it shouldn't be a big deal
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58 2005-03-17.txt:23:15:27: <calamari> whoa, that was a big drop.. might be a while yet
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59 2005-03-18.txt:19:24:04: <calamari> print var is broken for numbers like 255, because it's actually 65535, or whatever the size that the cell is on these bigger interps
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60 2005-03-18.txt:20:13:47: <calamari> if they want to print big numbers then the user will need to wait or use a better interp :)
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61 2005-03-19.txt:22:55:15: <{^Raven^}> rewriting a big part of the code to see if that helps
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62 2005-04-01.txt:09:02:53: <matricks> when |dx| or |dy| becomes bigger then 1, wrapping becomes weird
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63 2005-04-05.txt:15:50:14: <Keymaker> how big are the stacks?
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64 2005-04-05.txt:15:50:41: <kipple> which means BIG
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65 2005-05-03.txt:17:06:10: <pgimeno> no big deal, just that I couldn't speak to Keymaker before he left
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66 2005-05-03.txt:22:10:33: <GregorR> Does anyone have anywhere appropriate for me to upload FYB? It's not big, but I'd really rather not upload it to one of my unrelated SF projects.....
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67 2005-05-05.txt:12:44:50: <pgimeno> say, you want to operate with numbers > 255 (e.g. to perform a scientific computation; BF is soon to be implemented as the language of choice for scientific computations, replacing the now obsolete FORTRAN). Do you have to write your own bignum library?
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68 2005-05-05.txt:12:47:14: <Keymaker> you can operate with really big numbers but it gets really hard
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69 2005-05-06.txt:08:21:42: <lament> "brainfuck provides arbitrarily big memory"
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70 2005-05-06.txt:08:24:05: <lament> which could mean that the cells themselves can be infinitely big
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71 2005-05-06.txt:08:26:19: <lament> and if the problem is bigger, you just increase the memory size
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72 2005-05-06.txt:08:27:01: <lament> no matter how big your problem is
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73 2005-05-06.txt:08:30:08: <lament> arbitrarily big
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74 2005-05-06.txt:13:22:51: <pgimeno> I think that that's too big a challenge
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75 2005-05-07.txt:04:38:07: <KnX> a very ugly big hashtable
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76 2005-05-09.txt:15:43:06: <pgimeno> my machine is also underclocked; otherwise I had to avoid running emulators and cpu-consuming programs during summer, even if I have a big fan pointing to the case
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77 2005-05-11.txt:00:43:59: <kipple> as I said, no big deal
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78 2005-05-11.txt:05:31:55: <calamari> keymaker: probably big sine waves :)
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79 2005-05-12.txt:00:24:27: <GregorR-L> If Bob the Big Brain says it's greater then I am to sing the song. < this ought to be able to say "I am to loop"
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80 2005-05-12.txt:01:23:46: <kipple> not a big deal though
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81 2005-05-12.txt:07:00:33: <Keymaker> hmm i'n not big fan of downloading things
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82 2005-05-12.txt:19:22:23: <kipple> and a big problem for us esoholics...
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83 2005-05-12.txt:19:33:47: <kipple> but the big problem isn't crashes and backups. it's people loosing interest, and discontinuing their web site
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84 2005-05-12.txt:20:17:46: <Keymaker> btw, where you have that big database fizzie?
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85 2005-05-12.txt:20:29:25: <Keymaker> i have a big bunch of german trance :p
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86 2005-05-14.txt:19:22:24: <fizzie> Also, if I want a big ( >= 2^31 ) numerical constant, I need to use nnnn.0 instead of nnnn, which is a bit.. undesirable, since I really shouldn't have to know about the generated C++ code.
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87 2005-05-15.txt:04:02:03: <calamari> it's written in Java, so hopefully it won't be too big a deal to get it to compile
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88 2005-05-18.txt:20:35:15: <fizzie> I don't think I've had more than 14 consecutive )s, but I haven't written anything very big in scheme. A corewars interpreter/environment/thing once.
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89 2005-05-18.txt:20:36:08: <pgimeno> corewars interpreter? uhm, too big a prog for me to write in that thing, I'm no so masochists
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90 2005-05-21.txt:13:47:11: <CXI> one of the big issues in wikipedia is scope
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91 2005-05-22.txt:08:06:42: <GregorR> Where's the big explosion?
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92 2005-05-23.txt:20:43:59: <GregorR-L> If it doesn't, there's a big point for "Wiki!" :P
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93 2005-05-23.txt:20:44:39: <pgimeno> yeah, that's the big con against MoinMoin
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94 2005-05-23.txt:20:49:49: <GregorR-L> The big draw-back of Wiki! for the record is that it uses HTML, rather than a convenient Wikiscript.
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95 2005-05-23.txt:20:57:14: <kipple> not a big issue IMHO
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96 2005-05-23.txt:23:05:01: <pgimeno> no big deal; just BF programmers will have to be careful when moving the data pointer around
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97 2005-05-24.txt:22:27:54: <malaprop> graue: wiki/ is the default name IIRC, is no biggie
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98 2005-05-24.txt:22:31:57: <malaprop> As hosts should fail fairly infrequently, is not a big hassle.
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99 2005-05-24.txt:22:32:27: <kipple> rsync can be told to exclude file patterns, so no biggie
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100 2005-05-24.txt:23:43:22: <kipple_> anyways, Wikipedia contains copyrighted images and stuff, so can't be that big a problem
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101 2005-05-25.txt:00:40:11: <GregorR> But the main would know it, and could put a big red banner on the page saying "THIS MIRROR IS DOWN!!!!!!!!"
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102 2005-05-25.txt:00:53:55: <kipple_> though it might get big if not zipped
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103 2005-05-26.txt:04:30:54: <graue> flat files are easier to browse and back up, and everything in the wiki is public domain, while stuff in the files directory may have other or ambiguous copyright
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104 2005-05-26.txt:15:18:38: <kipple> but a dump of the files could potentially be quite big
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105 2005-05-26.txt:22:02:07: <kipple> not a big deal, but nice if you're going to have an editor
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106 2005-05-27.txt:00:07:21: <graue> if they're stored unrolled, you can check out the whole thing via svn and voila, you have a big esoteric language distribution ready to use
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107 2005-05-27.txt:00:25:39: <GregorR> I don't think there's any need for the FILES to be in a hierarchy - the hierarchy is in the design of the Wiki. They can just be sitting in one big directory, so long as the wiki makes their purposes obvious.
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108 2005-05-27.txt:00:25:45: <kipple> I still don't see the big problem. The programs should be listed on the language page
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109 2005-05-27.txt:00:28:05: <calamari> graue: the files directory becomes useless if it is just a big lump of files
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110 2005-05-27.txt:16:47:46: <jix> wenn der wert größer als 4 ist dann beepe == if the value is bigger than 4 then beep == valid apple script
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111 2005-05-27.txt:17:36:54: <jix> on windows i can fix problems as fast as an average windows user.. on debian i need 4 times the time a linux guru would need and on osx.. hmm what went wrong.. hmm i got kernel panics with an additional kernel extension so i removed it.. no other big problems
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112 2005-05-27.txt:19:01:32: <GregorR> People package spyware in downloaded programs. You run them, you get spyware. There's no reason that that wouldn't work in ANY operating system, the only way to block it would be with the even worse big-brother trusted computing.
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113 2005-05-27.txt:23:14:08: <kipple> same place, same file (just much bigger)
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114 2005-05-28.txt:23:46:06: <Keymaker> harder than the stacks would be the big numbers, i guess
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115 2005-05-29.txt:18:47:37: <kipple> but it's not a big deal
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116 2005-05-30.txt:19:33:22: <GregorR> *big paste coming*
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117 2005-05-31.txt:17:59:00: <kipple> that's my biggest issue with the old one. It so extremely SLOW on serve with
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118 2005-05-31.txt:20:30:28: <graue> i am going to the bank; i challenge any interested persons to resolve ambiguities and contradictions in the document (if any exist) and implement an interpreter or compiler before i return
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119 2005-06-01.txt:18:39:18: <pgimeno> ZeroOne: hehe, no prob, just probably the biggest lag I've seen on IRC
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120 2005-06-02.txt:21:05:48: <cpressey> given a "big enough FSA" you can compute anything
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121 2005-06-02.txt:21:43:02: <Keymaker> lol, the language has a big set of instructions :D
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122 2005-06-04.txt:14:23:04: <kipple> not a big deal, but it might break some old programs
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123 2005-06-04.txt:20:41:31: <lament> big deal
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124 2005-06-04.txt:22:07:10: <lament> does LBA have to have arbitrarily big storage?
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125 2005-06-04.txt:22:51:06: <cpressey> pgimeno: a max file size? well... all i meant was that in practice, you don't use bignums ;)
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126 2005-06-05.txt:19:34:14: <cpressey> i'm not so big a fan of ruby, but i don't have any particular thing against it
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127 2005-06-05.txt:21:12:47: <pgimeno> graue: yeah, you have a point there; but still, for quick'n'easy scripts (rather than big projects) I find it useful
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128 2005-06-06.txt:07:57:01: <graue> with a proper command set, a language with only one bignum should be TC
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129 2005-06-06.txt:07:57:51: <lament> it would operate on the digits of the bignum :)
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130 2005-06-06.txt:08:15:23: <lament> http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/fibbig.gif
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131 2005-06-06.txt:11:30:22: <pgimeno> DMM: thanks for your permission to use the hellobig.png as a logo, btw
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132 2005-06-06.txt:19:56:19: <cpressey> re one bignum... my understanding is an FSA + two counters (bignums) is TC.
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133 2005-06-06.txt:19:56:41: <cpressey> (so maybe a rational bignum...?)
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134 2005-06-07.txt:01:14:45: <cpressey> you can make wireworld forms as big as you like... but you can make fsm's as big as you like too
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135 2005-06-07.txt:23:02:06: <lament> and that's a bigass interval
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136 2005-06-07.txt:23:31:39: <lament> the interpreter uses bignums
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137 2005-06-07.txt:23:31:50: <lament> i like bignums though
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138 2005-06-08.txt:05:25:37: <lament> http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/fibbig.gif
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139 2005-06-08.txt:05:35:10: <graue> npiet trace is here: http://www.bertnase.de/npiet/fib-trace-big.png
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140 2005-06-08.txt:22:13:00: <malaprop> Ya, I figured he was either doing something fast or big, was just curious.
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141 2005-06-09.txt:17:33:19: <pgimeno> this Piet program prints "ESO": http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgimeno/temp/eso-big.png
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142 2005-06-09.txt:23:53:07: <calamari> I don't see the big problem
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143 2005-06-10.txt:14:06:09: <pgimeno> the issue with npiet is that cells are 32-bit integers instead of bignums, so fibonacci numbers greater than the 45th one don't come out well
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144 2005-06-10.txt:14:06:22: <pgimeno> does perl handle bignums?
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145 2005-06-10.txt:14:27:44: <fizzie> Although Math::BigInt apparently is part of the standard.
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146 2005-06-10.txt:16:59:54: <pgimeno> at least if the stack is able to hold bignums
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147 2005-06-10.txt:20:32:56: <pgimeno> http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgimeno/temp/eso-big.png
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148 2005-06-11.txt:06:16:37: <calamari> I'm not sure that's such a big deal :)
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149 2005-06-11.txt:20:09:28: <Keymaker> 'I' (big 'i') to increase memory stack's top value by 10
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150 2005-06-12.txt:00:44:32: <Keymaker> probably first check which one is bigger
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151 2005-06-13.txt:00:44:11: <Keymaker> logical not that works with values bigger than 1, as well
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152 2005-06-13.txt:01:36:51: <graue> the way it uses brainfuck is no better than giving us a big .exe file
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153 2005-06-13.txt:01:56:15: <calamari> graue: bf is cross platform.. and it is interesting to me: 1) example of the power of bf, 2) a fun game, 3) using bfbasic, 4) big, etc
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154 2005-06-13.txt:02:02:49: <calamari> since I know how big a star wars fan you are, I know you'll appreciate that ;)
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155 2005-06-16.txt:01:02:00: <calamari_> keymaker: right now all the statements and operators are in a big messy blob.. crappy code basically.. hard to understand and extend
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156 2005-06-16.txt:01:10:33: <calamari_> it would take care of all the parsing ,which is where the big mess comes in
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157 2005-06-16.txt:20:36:42: <kipple> well the site is off-line (big surprise)
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158 2005-06-17.txt:23:57:48: <Keymaker> ah. i'm talking about the big exams you need to get trough to get out from high school, or whatever would be the translation
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159 2005-06-18.txt:00:10:37: <{^Raven^}> calamari: Glastonbury is a small village, the festival is held in a big field(s) on a farm
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160 2005-06-18.txt:00:17:06: <Keymaker> it's one of the biggest festivals around, on midsummer, and there's also other good electronic music
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161 2005-06-22.txt:17:17:07: * GregorR watches the big red rubber tokigun bouncing ;)
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162 2005-06-22.txt:20:44:56: <tokigun> http://bigzaphod.org/whirl/
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163 2005-06-25.txt:00:13:45: <calamari> it was big, I liked that
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164 2005-06-25.txt:00:13:55: <lament> big games are intimidating :(
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165 2005-06-25.txt:01:04:28: <{^Raven^}> cpressey: I am going to try to make the biggest and best game I can
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166 2005-06-25.txt:19:34:04: <calamari> I'd be done with the bit debigger already, but I ran into a problem the other day.. if the program was running, I couldn't stop it, because it was using the same thread as Swing. I could use multiple threads, but I lose a bit of control, and can't do certain things. But, the other night I realized that I could just use step, and a special runnign flag, so the view knows when the model is done running.
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168 2005-06-26.txt:08:27:12: <BigZaphod> hey
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169 2005-06-26.txt:08:33:26: <BigZaphod> This is my first time here. :)
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170 2005-06-26.txt:08:37:50: <BigZaphod> Yes. Actually, in a rather round-about way. I was googling one of my own languages Whirl.
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171 2005-06-26.txt:08:37:55: <BigZaphod> Found references to here. :)
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172 2005-06-26.txt:11:01:44: <Keymaker> bigzaphod.. whirl inventor?
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173 2005-06-26.txt:11:25:11: <Keymaker> the author *cough bigzaphod* should clear some things on the web site..
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174 2005-06-26.txt:11:46:37: <puzzlet> tokigun: bigzaphod is here
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175 2005-06-26.txt:17:04:33: <BigZaphod> Hey tokigun. Nice to finally "meet" the world's best whirl programmer. :)
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176 2005-06-26.txt:20:00:30: <BigZaphod> 3code 99 bottles: http://www.bigzaphod.org/3code/bigzaphod-99bottles.txt
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177 2005-06-26.txt:20:00:36: <BigZaphod> not terribly impressive, but it was fun.
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180 2005-06-27.txt:01:12:47: <BigZaphod> hey
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181 2005-06-27.txt:01:15:25: <tokigun> BigZaphod: hello ;)
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182 2005-06-27.txt:01:15:55: <BigZaphod> tokigun: good to "see" you :)
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183 2005-06-27.txt:01:16:32: <BigZaphod> your 99 bottles is #2 on the 99 bottles of beer site. ;) good stuff.
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184 2005-06-27.txt:01:21:05: <tokigun> BigZaphod: i've submitted more 99 bob programs... :)
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185 2005-06-27.txt:01:22:36: <BigZaphod> I saw those in the recently added list on the site. :)
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186 2005-06-27.txt:01:23:23: <BigZaphod> had never heard of R4 before.
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187 2005-06-27.txt:01:29:48: <BigZaphod> tokigun: those would be fun to see...
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192 2005-06-27.txt:23:06:01: <BigZaphod> hey
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193 2005-06-27.txt:23:06:50: <BigZaphod> I just finished up another silly language for those who might be interested: http://www.bigzaphod.org/taxi/
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194 2005-06-27.txt:23:23:59: <{^Raven^}> BigZaphod: That looks seriously freaky :)
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195 2005-06-27.txt:23:39:08: <BigZaphod> {^Raven^}: thanks. :)
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198 2005-06-28.txt:03:23:40: <BigZaphod> echo is pretty easy in taxi: Go to the Post Office: west 1st left, 1st right, 1st left. Pickup a passenger going to the Post Office. Go to Tom's Trims: north. Go to the Post Office: south. Go to the Taxi Garage: north 1st right, 1st left, 1st right.
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199 2005-06-28.txt:03:24:12: <BigZaphod> as of today. :-)
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200 2005-06-28.txt:03:24:13: <BigZaphod> http://www.bigzaphod.org/taxi/
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201 2005-06-28.txt:04:39:24: <BigZaphod> :D
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204 2005-06-28.txt:06:54:11: <cpressey> BigZaphod: nice!
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205 2005-06-28.txt:06:54:11: <BigZaphod> hey
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206 2005-06-28.txt:06:54:20: <BigZaphod> tnx. :)
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207 2005-06-28.txt:07:07:53: <BigZaphod> interesting..
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210 2005-06-28.txt:21:07:35: <BigZaphod> jimbo00000: cool interpreter!
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211 2005-06-28.txt:21:07:42: <jimbo00000> very cool - thanks BigZ!
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212 2005-06-28.txt:22:44:40: <cpressey> you could implement bigints *as* a prime factorization internally - that would make it feasible (i think) - but it would make implementing add/subtract, um, "interesting"... but on the other hand, you don't ever have to *use* add or subtract...
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213 2005-06-28.txt:22:51:08: <lament> hey i like that bignums-as-primes idea
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214 2005-06-28.txt:23:03:00: <BigZaphod> not working for me either
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216 2005-06-29.txt:00:21:17: <Kmkr> bigzaphod: really cool language :D
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220 2005-06-29.txt:07:40:47: <BigZaphod> hey
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225 2005-06-29.txt:21:26:29: <BigZaphod> trying to implement bf in taxi. brain hurts..
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226 2005-06-29.txt:21:27:07: <BigZaphod> http://www.bigzaphod.org/taxi/
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231 2005-06-30.txt:21:13:39: <BigZaphod> fun event: build those wood and water gates in real life on carts with hoses and stuff. then you could do a live-action esolang thing where you code by pushing the carts around and making connections.
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232 2005-06-30.txt:21:15:04: <BigZaphod> {^Raven^}: lol
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233 2005-06-30.txt:21:15:22: <BigZaphod> it'd be a great event at an esolangcon. bring swimwear. :)
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234 2005-06-30.txt:21:16:26: <BigZaphod> stdout could be a large firehose and the screen could be the audience.
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235 2005-06-30.txt:21:28:25: <lament> BigZaphod: awesome
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236 2005-06-30.txt:22:47:50: <BigZaphod> Planet Lab.. I tried to get in on that network once, but since I'm not currentl affiliated with any university.. *sigh*
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237 2005-06-30.txt:22:49:00: <BigZaphod> calamari: well, never used it, but it looked neat. I was working on a p2p app and that seemed liek a great way to test it. although development has stalled as of late.
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238 2005-06-30.txt:22:51:56: <BigZaphod> calamari: have a good one
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239 2005-06-30.txt:23:18:35: <{^Raven^}> BigZaphod: how long did taxi take to create? That is one twisted language.
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240 2005-06-30.txt:23:18:51: <BigZaphod> About a week.
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241 2005-06-30.txt:23:19:21: <BigZaphod> I've found a few bugs here and there over the last couple days, though. Uploaded a new version (if you're playing with it).
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242 2005-06-30.txt:23:23:00: <BigZaphod> :)
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243 2005-06-30.txt:23:23:11: <BigZaphod> I'm working on a bf interpreter written in taxi..
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244 2005-06-30.txt:23:23:19: <BigZaphod> lots of pain..
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245 2005-06-30.txt:23:33:09: <BigZaphod> {^Raven^}: have you tried to do anything with it?
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246 2005-06-30.txt:23:34:31: <BigZaphod> I think 99 wouldn't be too bad once you dug in and got used to it.
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247 2005-06-30.txt:23:35:02: <BigZaphod> lol.. yeah, I've developed a rather heightened sense of left and right now.
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248 2005-06-30.txt:23:36:00: <BigZaphod> I have 283 lines of taxi source which manages to read a single line from stdin and break it down into the bf tokens and tests for each symbol correctly.. now I just have to, ya know, make the symbols do stuff.
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249 2005-06-30.txt:23:36:11: <BigZaphod> the looping frightens me, though.
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250 2005-06-30.txt:23:37:56: <BigZaphod> probably atm, yeah. with whirl it is funny because I can hardly do anything with it even though I made it. tokigun is by far the biggest whirl expert I know of.
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251 2005-06-30.txt:23:40:31: <BigZaphod> this bf interpreter is quite slow.. does no computation yet but it still manages to take several seconds to process a 50 or 60 character input string. that's on my 1.66ghz powerbook. scary.
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252 2005-06-30.txt:23:43:05: <BigZaphod> no doubt. it half does at the moment. it parses all the commands up front and builds a list with the command code, but the data is kept as strings and everything is looked up while it is running.
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253 2005-06-30.txt:23:43:45: <BigZaphod> plus it does all the math for determining left and right at run time as well, which in theory it wouldn't need to.
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254 2005-06-30.txt:23:45:26: <BigZaphod> yeah that would probably help a lot.
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255 2005-06-30.txt:23:47:01: <BigZaphod> of course if the language was slightly more sane to begin with, that'd help too. ;)
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256 2005-06-30.txt:23:48:24: <BigZaphod> one of these days I want to try to make a compiler for one of my languages using http://llvm.cs.uiuc.edu/ or something. never done that before.
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257 2005-06-30.txt:23:51:18: <BigZaphod> ( assuming I'm even understanding LLVM correctly :) )
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258 2005-06-30.txt:23:55:17: <BigZaphod> I read someplace it is quite easy to use for compiling simple languages or something. figured it'd make a perfect tool for a fun esolang someday.
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259 2005-06-30.txt:23:55:56: <BigZaphod> somewhere I ran across a sample that implemented a forth variant compiler using LLVM.
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260 2005-06-30.txt:23:56:05: <BigZaphod> looked pretty cool.
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261 2005-06-30.txt:23:57:53: <BigZaphod> hi yrz\werk.
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262 2005-06-30.txt:23:58:31: <BigZaphod> hypercubes hurt my brain as I always try to visualize them.
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263 2005-06-30.txt:23:58:50: <yrz\werk> BigZaphod: no way to visualize.
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264 2005-06-30.txt:23:59:10: <BigZaphod> yrz\werk: my brain refuses to listen to me when I say such things.
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265 2005-06-30.txt:23:59:37: <yrz\werk> BigZaphod: will help you if i change it to be 5-n ?
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266 2005-07-01.txt:00:00:11: <BigZaphod> maybe a small bit, but I dont think you should. :)
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267 2005-07-01.txt:00:00:38: <BigZaphod> hee hee.
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268 2005-07-01.txt:00:02:30: <BigZaphod> do place like geocities still host files for free? I'm sort of out of that loop.
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271 2005-07-01.txt:07:10:43: <BigZaphod> has anyone played with this: http://jonripley.com/i-fiction/games/LostKingdomBF.html ?
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272 2005-07-01.txt:07:11:34: <BigZaphod> I am trying to run it in a C BF interpreter, but my cpu is maxed and I've not seen any output for a few minutes now... not sure if it is broke or just still working on working. :)
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273 2005-07-01.txt:07:14:12: <BigZaphod> this interp: http://swapped.cc/bf/
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274 2005-07-01.txt:07:16:34: <BigZaphod> hmm, okay, maybe that interp is bad. there's one included with the game that seems to run it right away.
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275 2005-07-01.txt:11:21:06: <{^Raven^}> BigZaphod; Lost Kingdom makes two assumptions about the interpreter, cells wrap on underflow/overflow and cells are 8 bits wide
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278 2005-07-01.txt:18:17:52: <graue> hello, BigZaphod
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279 2005-07-01.txt:18:31:28: <{^Raven^}> hi BigZaphod
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280 2005-07-01.txt:20:22:23: <BigZaphod> graue: what's wrong with this archway code?
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281 2005-07-01.txt:20:22:33: <BigZaphod> wait.. it isn't going to paste here very well.. :)
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282 2005-07-01.txt:20:22:48: <BigZaphod> I try anyway.
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283 2005-07-01.txt:20:22:48: <BigZaphod> /\
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284 2005-07-01.txt:20:22:48: <BigZaphod> -/
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285 2005-07-01.txt:20:22:49: <BigZaphod> ++++/
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286 2005-07-01.txt:20:23:29: <BigZaphod> the two lines at the top should left-aline with the bottom slash.
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287 2005-07-01.txt:20:23:48: <BigZaphod> aline = align
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288 2005-07-01.txt:20:24:15: <BigZaphod> when I try to run it, the archway interp just returns like it didn't do anything. I might be missing something.
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289 2005-07-01.txt:20:42:47: <graue> BigZaphod, there's no loop there...
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290 2005-07-01.txt:20:43:57: <BigZaphod> oh.. heh. I see..
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291 2005-07-01.txt:20:58:11: <BigZaphod> the wiki is great, thanks for it graue.
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292 2005-07-01.txt:21:03:59: <BigZaphod> I would prefer password wasn't in the dump, but email and such I don't care about.
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293 2005-07-01.txt:21:04:50: <BigZaphod> hey, how'd you know?!
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294 2005-07-01.txt:21:04:53: <BigZaphod> ;)
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295 2005-07-01.txt:21:05:31: <BigZaphod> true.
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296 2005-07-01.txt:21:05:53: <BigZaphod> gotta run, l8r all
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299 2005-07-02.txt:00:10:03: <BigZaphod> I think windows should be named an esoteric OS because it is just a pain to use sometimes.
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300 2005-07-02.txt:00:10:14: <BigZaphod> which is why I own a mac. :)
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